The pond didn't have the foggiest why poor old Vonnegut had got himself into trouble with Floridian puritans.
The pond immediately ruled out the fire bombing of Dresden. Republicans love war and killing and a bit of frying on the side.
It had to be something to do with sex.
Perhaps it was Vonnegut's weird suggestion of fluid gender identities, what with there being five sexes on Tralfamadore, each of them performing a step necessary in the creation of a new individual.
Perhaps Ron DeSanctus's mind was blown by the way they all looked identical because their differences were all in the fourth dimension.
Even worse, the perfidious Tralfamadorians had suggested they'd identified no fewer than seven sexes on earth, each essential to reproduction, but apparently with five of them active in the fourth dimension. Perhaps it was the Tralfamadorian proposal that there could be no Earthling babies without male homosexuals, and other similar gibberish. Or perhaps it was this:
Speaking of people from Poland: Billy Pilgrim accidentally saw a Pole hanged in public, about three days after Billy got to Dresden. Billy just happened to be walking to work with some others shortly after sunrise, and they came to a gallows and a small crowd in front of a soccer stadium. The Pole was a farm laborer who was being hanged for having had sexual intercourse with a German woman. So it goes. (The pond found a pdf of the entire book here, which saved copying from the pond's print version)
So it goes. Sex and violence, all in one Burroughs moment, without needing to firebomb a city.
Or perhaps it was the reference to a dirty picture of a woman attempting sexual intercourse with a Shetland pony? You know:
...Billy was again directed to the back of the store and he went this time. A jaded sailor stepped away from a movie machine while the film was still running. Billy looked in, and there was Montana Wildhack alone on a bed, peeling a banana. The picture clicked off. Billy did not want to see what happened next, and a clerk importuned him to come over and see some really hot stuff they kept under the counter for connoisseurs. Billy was mildly curious as to what could possibly have been kept hidden in such a place. The clerk leered and showed him. It was a photograph of a woman and a Shetland pony. They were attempting to have sexual intercourse between two Doric columns, in front of velvet draperies which were fringed with deedlee-balls.
The pond realises that now it will be banned in Florida, or withdrawn from school library computers, but must insist that around Tamworth sheep were preferred.
On the other hand ponies and horses weren't that uncommon. After all, if into a classical education, there was a parallel in Apulieus's The Golden Ass:
...what worried me a great deal as I thought about it was this – how was I, with my four clumsy legs, to mount this exquisite lady? How could I embrace her soft white body, all milk and honey, with my horny hooves? How could I kiss those delicate red lips, fragrant as ambrosia, with my great ugly mouth and its teeth like a row of rocks? And how – and this was what really troubled me – though I was on fire to get started, every inch of me – how was she going to cope with my immense organ? I was already mourning for myself: thrown to the beasts as an item in my master’s games for splitting a patrician lady in two! Meanwhile she went on murmuring endearments and kissing me repeatedly and moaning tenderly and fluttering her eyelids seductively, and then finally, ‘I have you,’ she cried, ‘I have you, my dove, my sparrow’, and with that she showed how empty and foolish my worries and fears had been. For holding me tightly embraced she welcomed me in – all of me, and I mean all. Every time I pulled myself back in an effort to go easy on her, she would thrust violently forward in her frenzy, and grasping my back would cling to me even more closely. I really believed that I might prove inadequate to satisfy her desires; and I could quite see how the mother of the Minotaur had found so much pleasure with a lowing lover. After a sleepless and laborious night she left me while it was. still dark to avoid detection, having first agreed to pay the same price for another night. (More at the Internet Archive, a full pdf, slow to load).
Of course the pond only slipped in that classical reference because today is learned hole in the bucket man day.
To show off its learning of all the best classical literature, the pond could have referenced the discussion in Rabelais' Gargantua and Pantagruel regarding the virtues of using a well downed neck of a goose, as opposed to a gentlewoman's velvet mask or neckerchief. (Short cut blog here)
The pond apologises, the pond's mind has gone a tad smutty ever since it saw the mango Mussolini perform a blow job on a microphone stand, a feat broadcast around the land.
The long absent lord alone knows what Floridians made of it, and how they managed to banish the image from the tender minds of young Floridians.
Please allow the pond to turn to our Henry, currently in search of straw to fix the bucket, or perhaps to garnish a Thucydides reference or some other learned meme. It turns out that classical references are all the go at the moment ...
On the other hand, for low comedy, let the invisible germs in the rose run wild and free...
And that's the end of the lightness for the moment, as the pond turned to the reptiles to see what was happening in the hive mind known as the lizard Oz ...
Uh huh, a lead opinion story dressed as news about Palestine, it wasn't a good omen, and then over on the far right there was a second eleven team to handle chores.
That expendable crew man number six of the Kelly gang, a certain Joe, had been assigned to deal with the carnival of clowns (dressed up as a serious attempt to purge the deep state of oligarchs and billionaires and never mind the scent of Musk).
The reptiles had dragged in a doctor to suggest getting a Covid jab was fine if you could use a booster, while down below him, anti-mask, anti-vax Killer Creighton was ignoring the doctor and rabbiting on about China ...
A little later in the day, simplistic Simon - here no conflict of interest, no Bid here - turned up to blather about the Middle East:
But there was no sign of the hole in the bucket man in his preferred place on the extreme far right.
No doubt the reptiles will exhume later in the day, but the pond was consternated to say the least.
It took a little bit of digging to ferret him out, and discover that he was in fine full Zionist form ... Jew hatred festers amid multicultural malaise, The anti-Semitic riots in Amsterdam reflect decades of policy failure. It’s time out own government learned that failures’ lessons.
It was a five minute read, the reptiles suggested, but it felt much longer, but at least he was right about decades of policy failure, which is how we get a genocidal government ruling Israel ... and the confusion and conflation of being a Jew with being part of a state which should be a pariah nation as a a result of its routine indulgence in war crimes.
The reptiles started by helping with an image of a protest ... A protestor waves a Palestinian flag during an unauthorised pro-Palestinian demonstration on Dam Square in Amsterdam.
Then the hole in the bucket repair man cranked into full rabid gear ...
“Barbarians on scooters are riding through our capital city hunting Israelis and Jews,” David van Weel, the Dutch Minister of Justice and Security, wrote on X late last week as a violent, largely Muslim, mob rampaged through Amsterdam’s streets.
The attacks, which followed a soccer game between a Dutch and an Israeli team, appear to have been premeditated and well-organised. Nor were they an isolated incident.
Rather, they reflect a longer-term build-up in violent anti-Semitism. Immediately before October 7, a report by the European Union’s Agency for Fundamental Rights found that an unprecedented 25 per cent of Dutch Jews feared for their safety. And since then the number of anti-Semitic incidents has trebled.
But the latest outbreak is more than just another horrifying indicator of growing anti-Semitism. It also signals a deep, now almost certainly fatal, crisis in Dutch multiculturalism.
At least originally, the decision to provide the country’s Muslim immigrants with their own schools, housing and community services was taken on purely pragmatic grounds. The assumption was that the Turks and Moroccans who, as of the late 1950s, had been brought to the Netherlands to fill gaping labour shortages would only be required for a short while. It therefore seemed sensible to ensure they retained their culture of origin, as that, it was thought, made it more likely they would be happy to leave.
Just to help the hole in bucket man further, the reptiles followed up with an audio visual supplement, titled Dutch police moved in on the University of Amsterdam (UvA) after anti-Israel protests broke out at one of the campuses. On Monday, UvA announced that the school will remain closed on Tuesday and Wednesday due to safety concerns. The pro-Palestine protesters demand UvA cut all ties with Israeli institutions and end their support of “the ongoing genocide” in Gaza. Monday’s protest was meant to be peaceful, with students and staff from universities across Amsterdam organising a walkout. The University of Amsterdam released a statement, maintaining it started peacefully but quickly turned violent. “The National Walkout protest that started peacefully has unfortunately turned into an occupation,” they wrote.
At this point the pond felt inclined to do a little counter-programming ... there is, after all, some fair evidence of that ongoing genocide, and really, is it right to stay silent in the presence of a genocide?
The pond supposes that at this point the old bigot should be allowed a little space to preen and parade his book learning, really just an excuse for some random bashing of Islamics, without regard for the way that the genocidal activities of the Israeli government now far exceed the original crime and are generating protests:
However, by the early 1970s it had become clear the “guest workers” had no intention of going home. At the same time, elite attitudes had changed dramatically. Accommodating Islamic separatism was no longer seen as a pragmatic necessity; it was considered the morally right thing to do. Widely publicised revelations of Dutch complicity in the Holocaust underscored the point: to oppose Islamic separatism was worse than wrong – it demonstrated a lack of humanity.
Any possible costs or risks were consequently dismissed out of hand, all the more so as Dutch academia had embraced the “contact hypothesis” formulated by social psychologist Gordon Allport in his classic The Nature of Prejudice (1954). Giving that hypothesis an optimistic (and entirely unwarranted) interpretation, advisers assured the government that ongoing contact between Muslim immigrants and their Dutch hosts would ultimately erase any ethnic tensions.
All that induced a pioneering shift to what was becoming known as multiculturalism. Thanks to generous public support, it did not take long for the Netherlands to boast the highest number of mosques and Muslim schools per capita in Western Europe, along with taxpayer-funded imam training, Muslim chaplains in the army, hospitals and prisons, and free airtime for Islamic programs on public TV channels. Moreover, provisions were introduced ensuring Muslim community leaders participated in a wide range of public policy decisions.
By 2000 an Institutional Accommodation Index, which measures 15 Western European countries’ response to seven key Islamic claims, placed the Netherlands at the top of its rankings. And the Netherlands’ “accommodation” score rose even further between 2000 and 2010, as additional measures were adopted to empower Muslim communities.
But if the policies empowered anyone, it was the best organised and most determined Muslim groups, ranging from the Erdogan-aligned Millî Görü, which is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood that operates in Australia as a registered charity, to the Moroccan offshoots of the Salafis.
As well as seeking to segregate Muslims from Western “corruption”, including by strictly enforcing rules that limit opportunities for women and girls, those groups have a long history of vicious anti-Semitism. Through their government-sanctioned control over community institutions, they made Islamic schools and mosques into breeding grounds for Judeophobia: in the Netherlands, Muslims are five times more likely than Christians to believe Jews can never be trusted.
At this point the reptiles slipped in another snap to show Police officers on horses secure during an unauthorised pro-Palestinian demonstration on Dam Square in Amsterdam.
Unauthorised? Then who authorised this?
Cue Amir Tibor in Haaretz, brooding under the lengthy header, 'MBS Was Willing to Go a Long Way Toward Israel, but Netanyahu and His Coalition Have Become Unhinged', There's a split-screen between Riyadh, where the Saudi Crown Prince accused Israel of genocide and called for the full recognition of Palestine, and Jerusalem, where far-right minister Bezalel Smotrich is prepping for annexation. Can the Trump administration still push normalization under these conditions?
A sample of the brooding ...
...To understand the source of the Saudi frustration, one should look no further than another public statement made on Monday, this time in Jerusalem, by Israel's Finance Minister, Bezalel Smotrich. Standing in front of the cameras in the halls of the Israeli Knesset, Smotrich announced that, due to Trump's victory in the U.S. presidential election, the year 2025 will be "Israel's year of annexation."
His plan is to officially annex the occupied West Bank, turning the disputed territory into an official part of Israel – but, of course, without giving citizenship or equal rights to the millions of Palestinians living there.
And it's not just the West Bank. Smotrich is also pushing for Israel to build new settlements in the northern part of the Gaza Strip, in areas from which the Israeli military has displaced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians.
His far-right party, which has been collapsing in the polls but still enjoys a strong position inside Netanyahu's current coalition, isn't trying to disguise this plan, which is not supported by any of Israel's allies abroad. To the contrary: the Smotrich camp is openly celebrating the possibility of a depopulated northern Gaza ripe for Jewish settlement.
Netanyahu is silent in the face of their extremism, too weak and afraid to confront Smotrich, who could bring down the government if the prime minister dared to speak out against him.
The split-screen between Riyadh, where a disappointed MBS described Israel's extremism, flanked by Arab and Muslim leaders, and Jerusalem, where the extremist Smotrich prepared his next steps to prolong the Gaza war and expand the conflict, tells a sad story about the Biden administration's failure in the Middle East. Israeli-Saudi normalization, building on the 2020 Abraham Accords, was Biden's top policy goal in the region and, for a brief moment in 2023, it even seemed possible. But today, it is more distant than ever.
Trump also wants the Saudi deal, and sees it as a direct continuation of his previous administration's policies. His close adviser and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, is already working on it. But in order to succeed, they will have to first of all solve the expanding gulf between Israel and the Arab world – even with the friendlier parts of it, like Saudi Arabia.
Without a clear break from the extremism of the current Netanyahu coalition, and without burying annexation, there won't be normalization with Saudi Arabia, no matter the aspirational plans of the incoming Trump administration.
Meanwhile, our Henry was still rabbiting on in his full Pauline Hansonite way ...
And they also transformed heavily Muslim neighbourhoods into incubators of violence, brutally exemplified by the death threats against Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the assassination (and ritual beheading) of her collaborator, Theo van Gogh.
The results are apparent in EU surveys of serious anti-Semitic incidents. Perhaps because of its sensitivity, the relevant series has been discontinued. But in 2018 it found that in the Netherlands, a clear majority of the identifiable perpetrators were Muslim, with almost all the others being their allies on the left. In none of those series, or their counterparts on the Muslim experience, were there any reports of assaults on Muslims by Jews.
In short, the policy put in place to achieve conciliation had created and entrenched catastrophic social divisions, endangering vulnerable Dutch citizens.
Allport would not have been surprised. In setting out the contact hypothesis, he had warned that intergroup contact only induced greater toleration under “optimal” conditions. Those included the absence of institutionalised separation between the groups, as separation “tends to increase mutual suspicion, distrust and hostility”. Additionally, contact needed to “give rise to a sense of common identity, shared by members of both groups” – and crucially, that sense of common identity had to be “supported by laws, institutions and norms”.
The intellectual forefathers of liberalism would have heartily endorsed Allport’s warnings. From Michel de Montaigne and John Locke to David Hume and Adam Smith, they never considered toleration a universal human attribute, much less claimed it would be self-enforcing.
Acutely aware of the havoc extremist sects wreaked in the lead-up to the wars of religion, they assumed the “civil magistrate” would suppress whoever threatened what the Renaissance humanists had called “il vivere civile” – a life in peace and security. They fully understood that when the authorities refuse to intervene, toleration can rapidly degenerate into the policy Martin Hollis, a leading British political philosopher, caustically described as “liberalism for the liberals, cannibalism for the cannibals”: which is all well and good, until the cannibals start throwing the liberals into the pot.
At this point, to back up our Henry, the reptiles threw in the notoriously racist Bolter, with an interminable tag:
Sky News host Andrew Bolt has discussed the “huge” revolt in Europe as voters become sick of mass immigration and illegal immigration. “In the Dutch election, in the European election, and yesterday in the first round of the French election for its national assembly. The anti-immigration national rally party of Marine le pen and Jordan Bardella got 33 per cent,” Mr Bolt said. “The new popular front alliance of socialists and communists and other leftists 28 per cent. “And the centrist together for the republic party of President Emmanuel Macron down to just 22 per cent.”
Really? The Bolter in a cross promotional Sky News (AU) fever dream slagging off the different and the other in a way too familiar if you scratch the surface in the Nederlands?
At last the pond had reached the end of the old bigot's ranting.There's only so long the pond cares to keep company with the Bolter, not to mention Pauline Hanson dressed up as a pedantic bore:
But Dutch multiculturalism took none of those dangers into account. Far from suppressing Islamic separatists, it showered them with power, funding and authority, hoping that would transform them into “moderates”. Unlike France, which rigorously monitors Islamic schools and closes them if they are inculcating anti-Semitism (as several leading schools surreptitiously were), the Netherlands allowed generations of young Muslims to be taught hatred at the public expense.
And instead of impartially enforcing the law, the police and public prosecutors, who were petrified of being accused of Islamophobia, acted more vigorously against alleged insults to Islam than against actual attacks on Jews. That the Dutch police, who seemed reluctant to protect the victims of the football riot, legitimated anti-Semitism by excusing police officers from guarding Jewish sites if they found doing so “offensive”, only made things worse.
Now, after decades of policy failure, the Netherlands is reaping the whirlwind. Faced with a fierce public reaction that poses grave risks of its own, the new Dutch government is drawing that failure’s bitter lessons. It is up to our government to show it has the intelligence and, even more importantly, the moral courage to do so too.
Indeed, there have been many failures and bitter lessons.
What a pity that the bigotry of the hole in the bucket man doesn't have the intelligence or the moral courage to note the mass starvation, the collective displacement and the genocide currently going on, producing demonstrations by those who can see what it's like to witness hatred in action ...
Usually the pond would end there, but when confronted by genocide, why not a few more light moments to take away the stench of the displaced, the starving and the dying.
Then there was the infallible Pope of the day, for which the pond had no segue:
Above all, the pond bitterly regrets that it was Joe, that second eleven member of the Kelly gang, who had been assigned to cover the cavalcade of clowns, while the likes of the bromancer went MIA.
Why bother with him when the immortal Rowe was to hand?
Speaking of YouTube, a few samples, though the pond guesses some will have already seen them ... but that carnival of clowns keeps on giving to late night US comedians ...
Som interesting (well, sorta…..) names on the Reptile home page today…
I’ve never heard of Steve Robson but I suspect that anyone who feels compelled to lead off with “I am one of the country’s most senior doctors” isn’t really one of the most senior doctors, particularly given that he appears to be questioning Covid jabs. Of course, he doesn’t specify that he’s a _medical_ doctor….
And Jack Marx? Struth, is he back from the dead? Has he become a Reptile regular, or is this his first appearance?
Thanks for noting the return of Marx (Jack version), Anon. The pond was so astonished it fell off chair, then made a note to mention his resurrection, then for some reason clean forgot.
The pond was out for a month or so and can't swear that this was his first appearance, but it was the first that the pond spotted, because he was suddenly elevated to the far right at the top of the digital page.
It does seem that he's set up permanent residence, but mainly in the y'artz section, which the pond never visits. The pond has never needed to turn to servile Murdochian hacks for advice on cultural matters.
A day or so ago, Jack managed this opening:
The Thirty-One Legs of Vladimir Putin is so unusually brilliant, so unique in structure, so ludicrous, hilarious and ominous at once...
On the matter of "so unique", Sir Earnest Gowers had this sage advice:
Certain adjectives and adverbs cannot properly be qualified by such words as more, less, very, rather, because they do not admit of degrees. Unique is the outstanding example. When we say a thing is unique we mean that there is nothing else of its kind in existence; rather unique is meaningless. But we can of course say almost unique.
Marx (Jack edition) is almost unique in his usage of the word.
https://www.fadedpage.com/books/20180877/html.php
And yes, as soon as the you lead off that you're one of the senior anythings, you're up yourself so far no sign of sunlight can be detected, and the pond says that as one of the country's most senior bloggers (though senior might have abundant and diverse meanings), and is sometimes associated with dementia and senility as much as a sublime sense of self-importance.
"...why poor old Vonnegut had got himself into trouble with Floridian puritans". Surely the episode with Montana Wildhack when the hero gets her pregnant ? Unmarried sex leading to propagation ? Can't have that sort of thing being treated sympathetically in schools.
Good point GB, the pond presumes you can't mention teen fornication or abortion as a solution to such unseemly behaviour, in the same way that you can't mention climate change:
As sea levels rise, DeSantis signs bill deleting climate change mentions from Florida state law
There is a solid tradition of the works of Kurt Vonnegut being banned in various states, even back when they could reasonably claim to be United States. 'Cat's Cradle' was being banned within a few years of its publication. DeSantis now could be feeling dismay over the teachings of Bokononism, while not sure that it is not actually the condensed philosophy of Donald J Trump, but he could be attracted to the possibilities of ice-nine, as a solution (sorry, no irony intended) to the waters rising across the great State of Florida.
Why was 'Cat's Cradle' banned, Chad ? It was the first Vonnegut I ever read, back maybe 60+ years ago (soon followed by Sirens of Titan, published 1959, and then his first, Player Piano, published way back in 1952. Though Schlachthof Funf is his great one it didn't appear until 1969).
GB - it is difficult to pin down cogent reasons for the actions against ‘Cat’s Cradle’. The case report hints that the decision from the school board meeting was pretty much pre-arranged, to be ‘on the nod’.
The ACLU Ohio website has this summary of the first case - Vonnegut was in good company. Imagine, in 1972, a novel that mocked war, and the military-industrial complex of the USA, as Joseph Heller did?
“In 1972, the Strongsville City School District refused to approve faculty recommendations for using Joseph Heller’s Catch-22 and Kurt Vonnegut’s God Bless You Mr. Rosewater as textbooks. Further, they ordered that Catch 22, along with Vonnegut’s Cat’s Cradle, be removed from the school library.
Five high school students, including Susan Minarcini, represented by ACLU volunteer attorneys Michael Honohan and Howard Besser, filed a lawsuit against the school board. The ACLU argued that the students’ First Amendment right to receive information, as well as teachers’ right to share information, had been violated. The lawsuit also asserted that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment had been violated due to the manner in which the books were removed from the school library.
Upon appeal, the court upheld the school board’s right to reject the books as part of the curriculum, but found the removal of the books from the library to be unconstitutional, referring to the library as “a storehouse of knowledge.” “
The actual decision is at
https://openjurist.org/541/f2d/577
- and demonstrates usual weaselly ‘Guess we gotta acknowledge the Constitution’ attitude of US lower courts, even back then, when it came to contests of moral judgement in literature. There is a delightful phrase in the case report about school boards being able to ‘winnow’ library content.
Interesting: censoring the classroom but not the library. Though I guess thatonly a miniscule percentage of human works and human knowledge can be presented in the classroom, even given 12 years of it, so basically it is impossible not to 'censor' classrooms.
Personally, I didn't use the school library much, especially after I discovered that I could join, and borrow from, the Brighton City Library (much bigger and much less censored than the school version).
Hi DP. Here's my humble contribution to help distract from the looming Trumpocalypse; some totally irrelevant irreverence for the science nerds among us...
Schrödinger's Cat (A Quantum Transmogrification Tale)
While on quanta Herr Schrödinger pondered An idea lit up his brain So his mouser was quickly seconded And the prof to the cat did explain...
"Tom, inside this box you'll be waiting To see if you breathe poison gas While I sit outside contemplating The quantumised state of your ass "
But Tom was a quick-witted feline And one step ahead of the prof So when Erwin for the cat made a beeline He leapt from the mat and fucked off!
Bigot Polonius IS Propaganda:"... police and public prosecutors, who were petrified of being accused of Islamophobia, ", whereas Wikipedia notes; "Dozens of Maccabi supporters ... made decapitation gestures, saying [in English], 'We're going to kill you and we will come back'."[6] Video footage showed a police car passing without stopping, leading to criticism on social media.[49][51]"
And our ABC; "However, another verified video showed Maccabi fans setting off flares and chanting "Ole, ole, let the IDF win, we will f*** the Arabs", referring to the Israel Defense Forces." ###
"Most of the targets of the violence were Israeli Maccabi Tel Aviv fans,[3] but an Arab taxi driver[4] and pro-Palestinian protestors were also targeted.[5]" ... "By 6 November, pro-Palestinian activists expressed fear on social media about the arrival of Israeli fans. "The city is full of hooligans, including Israeli soldiers," said a widely shared message on pro-Palestinian social media channels. "Maccabi openly supports war crimes and genocide in Gaza. (...) Ask yourself, are you physically and mentally prepared to take on a crowd of hooligans? Staying at home does not make you any less of an activist."[49]
"Footage and reports showed Maccabi fans tearing down and burning[8] Palestinian flags in Amsterdam on the evening of 6 November and shouting "fuck you Palestine".[8][50] Dozens of Maccabi supporters gathered in front of Villa Mokum, a squat on the Rokin where several Palestinian flags were displayed. Videos showed them throwing stones at the windows, climbing the building and ripping the flags off. "They kicked our doors and tried to enter our house," a 23-year-old resident of the property told Het Parool. "They raised their middle finger and made decapitation gestures, saying [in English], 'We're going to kill you and we will come back'."[6] Video footage showed a police car passing without stopping, leading to criticism on social media.[49][51]
"A Dutch police chief said there were incidents "on both sides" and that Maccabi fans had vandalised a taxi.[52] A video showed a man attacking a taxi with a metal chain.[49][51] Another video shared on social media showed a group of people kicking a man on the ground, though reports differ as to whether he was local or a Maccabi fan.[51][53][54] This was followed by "an online call" for taxi drivers to go to a casino where 400 Israeli fans were present.[50] A Maccabi supporter was chased into the canal and forced to yell "Free Palestine",[8][55] while bystanders chanted "kankerjood" ("cancer Jew").[56][57] The Amsterdam police escorted the supporters outside and said they had prevented other disturbances, besides small riots around the casino. By 3:30 am, nevertheless, everything in the city had quietened down.[42] ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2024_Amsterdam_attacks
"One video verified by Reuters showed a group of men running near Amsterdam central station, chasing and assaulting other men, as police sirens sounded. "However, another verified video showed Maccabi fans setting off flares and chanting "Ole, ole, let the IDF win, we will f*** the Arabs", referring to the Israel Defense Forces. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-08/dozens-arrested-netherlands-israel-palestinian-protests/104579652
"Dutch prosecutors mull criminal case over alleged Israel interference into ICC
"Complainants request examination of allegations Israel tried to derail international criminal court inquiry" https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/08/dutch-prosecutors-mull-criminal-case-israel-interference-icc
"A Dutch police chief said there were incidents 'on both sides'". Really ? On both sides ? So when, unless one side has been rendered completely helpless, has there ever not been incidents "on both sides"? Even during the 3rd Reich, some Jews managed to fight back.
So it isn't just incidents "on both sides", it's how the "sides" came into existence and how they behave once they had.
What can be said on those scores about Gaza and Lebanon ?
The Hole in the Bucket Man is shocked and outraged at the provision of resources for Islamic schools, media access, clergy (even in the armed forces!), etc. at no point though does he indicate whether such provisions are also made for other religions. It’s almost as though he’s keen to stir up outrage by implying that the evil Islamic have been given special preferential treatment.
And of course, the silly old bugger has to yet again attempt a bit of intellectual camouflage for his whinges with a few citations from his reference books. Blah blah, Adam Smith; blah blah, David Hume; whinge whinge grizzle grizzle. Look, Henry, if you’re convinced of the validity of your views, why not simply present them unadorned, rather than citing a bunch of centuries-dead blokes who obviously had no knowledge of the modern world? One again, you simply make yourself look like the pompous prat that you are.
We all know that you should never read the comments, except here and at Pharyngula. From Pharyngula:("People were pointing out back during Trump’s first term that in the comics, when Lex Luthor was elected president, he actually did divest himself of his business holdings and hand running them off to people like Mercy Graves while he was in office. Yes, a freaking supervillain was more ethical than Trump." https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2024/11/14/government-by-spite/#comment-2242801 There is of course a wiki about Lex Luthor.
Som interesting (well, sorta…..) names on the Reptile home page today…
ReplyDeleteI’ve never heard of Steve Robson but I suspect that anyone who feels compelled to lead off with “I am one of the country’s most senior doctors” isn’t really one of the most senior doctors, particularly given that he appears to be questioning Covid jabs. Of course, he doesn’t specify that he’s a _medical_ doctor….
And Jack Marx? Struth, is he back from the dead? Has he become a Reptile regular, or is this his first appearance?
Thanks for noting the return of Marx (Jack version), Anon. The pond was so astonished it fell off chair, then made a note to mention his resurrection, then for some reason clean forgot.
DeleteThe pond was out for a month or so and can't swear that this was his first appearance, but it was the first that the pond spotted, because he was suddenly elevated to the far right at the top of the digital page.
It does seem that he's set up permanent residence, but mainly in the y'artz section, which the pond never visits. The pond has never needed to turn to servile Murdochian hacks for advice on cultural matters.
A day or so ago, Jack managed this opening:
The Thirty-One Legs of Vladimir Putin is so unusually brilliant, so unique in structure, so ludicrous, hilarious and ominous at once...
On the matter of "so unique", Sir Earnest Gowers had this sage advice:
Certain adjectives and adverbs cannot properly be qualified by such words as more, less, very, rather, because they do not admit of degrees. Unique is the outstanding example. When we say a thing is unique we mean that there is nothing else of its kind in existence; rather unique is meaningless. But we can of course say almost unique.
Marx (Jack edition) is almost unique in his usage of the word.
https://www.fadedpage.com/books/20180877/html.php
And yes, as soon as the you lead off that you're one of the senior anythings, you're up yourself so far no sign of sunlight can be detected, and the pond says that as one of the country's most senior bloggers (though senior might have abundant and diverse meanings), and is sometimes associated with dementia and senility as much as a sublime sense of self-importance.
"...why poor old Vonnegut had got himself into trouble with Floridian puritans". Surely the episode with Montana Wildhack when the hero gets her pregnant ? Unmarried sex leading to propagation ? Can't have that sort of thing being treated sympathetically in schools.
ReplyDeleteGood point GB, the pond presumes you can't mention teen fornication or abortion as a solution to such unseemly behaviour, in the same way that you can't mention climate change:
DeleteAs sea levels rise, DeSantis signs bill deleting climate change mentions from Florida state law
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/15/politics/desantis-bill-climate-change-florida/index.html
Indeed not, abortion especially can't be mentioned in a school context.
DeleteThere is a solid tradition of the works of Kurt Vonnegut being banned in various states, even back when they could reasonably claim to be United States. 'Cat's Cradle' was being banned within a few years of its publication. DeSantis now could be feeling dismay over the teachings of Bokononism, while not sure that it is not actually the condensed philosophy of Donald J Trump, but he could be attracted to the possibilities of ice-nine, as a solution (sorry, no irony intended) to the waters rising across the great State of Florida.
DeleteWhy was 'Cat's Cradle' banned, Chad ? It was the first Vonnegut I ever read, back maybe 60+ years ago (soon followed by Sirens of Titan, published 1959, and then his first, Player Piano, published way back in 1952. Though Schlachthof Funf is his great one it didn't appear until 1969).
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DeleteGB - it is difficult to pin down cogent reasons for the actions against ‘Cat’s Cradle’. The case report hints that the decision from the school board meeting was pretty much pre-arranged, to be ‘on the nod’.
The ACLU Ohio website has this summary of the first case - Vonnegut was in good company. Imagine, in 1972, a novel that mocked war, and the military-industrial complex of the USA, as Joseph Heller did?
“In 1972, the Strongsville City School District refused to approve faculty recommendations for using Joseph Heller’s Catch-22 and Kurt Vonnegut’s God Bless You Mr. Rosewater as textbooks. Further, they ordered that Catch 22, along with Vonnegut’s Cat’s Cradle, be removed from the school library.
Five high school students, including Susan Minarcini, represented by ACLU volunteer attorneys Michael Honohan and Howard Besser, filed a lawsuit against the school board. The ACLU argued that the students’ First Amendment right to receive information, as well as teachers’ right to share information, had been violated. The lawsuit also asserted that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment had been violated due to the manner in which the books were removed from the school library.
Upon appeal, the court upheld the school board’s right to reject the books as part of the curriculum, but found the removal of the books from the library to be unconstitutional, referring to the library as “a storehouse of knowledge.” “
The actual decision is at
https://openjurist.org/541/f2d/577
- and demonstrates usual weaselly ‘Guess we gotta acknowledge the Constitution’ attitude of US lower courts, even back then, when it came to contests of moral judgement in literature. There is a delightful phrase in the case report about school boards being able to ‘winnow’ library content.
Interesting: censoring the classroom but not the library. Though I guess thatonly a miniscule percentage of human works and human knowledge can be presented in the classroom, even given 12 years of it, so basically it is impossible not to 'censor' classrooms.
DeletePersonally, I didn't use the school library much, especially after I discovered that I could join, and borrow from, the Brighton City Library (much bigger and much less censored than the school version).
Hi DP. Here's my humble contribution to help distract from the looming Trumpocalypse; some totally irrelevant irreverence for the science nerds among us...
ReplyDeleteSchrödinger's Cat
(A Quantum Transmogrification Tale)
While on quanta Herr Schrödinger pondered
An idea lit up his brain
So his mouser was quickly seconded
And the prof to the cat did explain...
"Tom, inside this box you'll be waiting
To see if you breathe poison gas
While I sit outside contemplating
The quantumised state of your ass "
But Tom was a quick-witted feline
And one step ahead of the prof
So when Erwin for the cat made a beeline
He leapt from the mat and fucked off!
😸😹😻
DeleteCheers DP!
DeleteBigot Polonius IS Propaganda:"... police and public prosecutors, who were petrified of being accused of Islamophobia, ", whereas Wikipedia notes; "Dozens of Maccabi supporters ... made decapitation gestures, saying [in English], 'We're going to kill you and we will come back'."[6] Video footage showed a police car passing without stopping, leading to criticism on social media.[49][51]"
ReplyDeleteAnd our ABC; "However, another verified video showed Maccabi fans setting off flares and chanting "Ole, ole, let the IDF win, we will f*** the Arabs", referring to the Israel Defense Forces."
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"Most of the targets of the violence were Israeli Maccabi Tel Aviv fans,[3] but an Arab taxi driver[4] and pro-Palestinian protestors were also targeted.[5]"
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"By 6 November, pro-Palestinian activists expressed fear on social media about the arrival of Israeli fans. "The city is full of hooligans, including Israeli soldiers," said a widely shared message on pro-Palestinian social media channels. "Maccabi openly supports war crimes and genocide in Gaza. (...) Ask yourself, are you physically and mentally prepared to take on a crowd of hooligans? Staying at home does not make you any less of an activist."[49]
"Footage and reports showed Maccabi fans tearing down and burning[8] Palestinian flags in Amsterdam on the evening of 6 November and shouting "fuck you Palestine".[8][50] Dozens of Maccabi supporters gathered in front of Villa Mokum, a squat on the Rokin where several Palestinian flags were displayed. Videos showed them throwing stones at the windows, climbing the building and ripping the flags off. "They kicked our doors and tried to enter our house," a 23-year-old resident of the property told Het Parool. "They raised their middle finger and made decapitation gestures, saying [in English], 'We're going to kill you and we will come back'."[6] Video footage showed a police car passing without stopping, leading to criticism on social media.[49][51]
"A Dutch police chief said there were incidents "on both sides" and that Maccabi fans had vandalised a taxi.[52] A video showed a man attacking a taxi with a metal chain.[49][51] Another video shared on social media showed a group of people kicking a man on the ground, though reports differ as to whether he was local or a Maccabi fan.[51][53][54] This was followed by "an online call" for taxi drivers to go to a casino where 400 Israeli fans were present.[50] A Maccabi supporter was chased into the canal and forced to yell "Free Palestine",[8][55] while bystanders chanted "kankerjood" ("cancer Jew").[56][57] The Amsterdam police escorted the supporters outside and said they had prevented other disturbances, besides small riots around the casino. By 3:30 am, nevertheless, everything in the city had quietened down.[42]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2024_Amsterdam_attacks
"One video verified by Reuters showed a group of men running near Amsterdam central station, chasing and assaulting other men, as police sirens sounded.
"However, another verified video showed Maccabi fans setting off flares and chanting "Ole, ole, let the IDF win, we will f*** the Arabs", referring to the Israel Defense Forces.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-08/dozens-arrested-netherlands-israel-palestinian-protests/104579652
"Dutch prosecutors mull criminal case over alleged Israel interference into ICC
"Complainants request examination of allegations Israel tried to derail international criminal court inquiry"
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/08/dutch-prosecutors-mull-criminal-case-israel-interference-icc
"A Dutch police chief said there were incidents 'on both sides'". Really ? On both sides ? So when, unless one side has been rendered completely helpless, has there ever not been incidents "on both sides"? Even during the 3rd Reich, some Jews managed to fight back.
DeleteSo it isn't just incidents "on both sides", it's how the "sides" came into existence and how they behave once they had.
What can be said on those scores about Gaza and Lebanon ?
The Hole in the Bucket Man is shocked and outraged at the provision of resources for Islamic schools, media access, clergy (even in the armed forces!), etc. at no point though does he indicate whether such provisions are also made for other religions. It’s almost as though he’s keen to stir up outrage by implying that the evil Islamic have been given special preferential treatment.
ReplyDeleteAnd of course, the silly old bugger has to yet again attempt a bit of intellectual camouflage for his whinges with a few citations from his reference books. Blah blah, Adam Smith; blah blah, David Hume; whinge whinge grizzle grizzle. Look, Henry, if you’re convinced of the validity of your views, why not simply present them unadorned, rather than citing a bunch of centuries-dead blokes who obviously had no knowledge of the modern world? One again, you simply make yourself look like the pompous prat that you are.
We all know that you should never read the comments, except here and at Pharyngula. From Pharyngula:("People were pointing out back during Trump’s first term that in the comics, when Lex Luthor was elected president, he actually did divest himself of his business holdings and hand running them off to people like Mercy Graves while he was in office. Yes, a freaking supervillain was more ethical than Trump." https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2024/11/14/government-by-spite/#comment-2242801
ReplyDeleteThere is of course a wiki about Lex Luthor.
Luthor, at least, had sufficient dignity to accept that he was bald.
DeleteYou keep coming up with ripper quotes Joe.
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