Monday, October 20, 2025

In which the pond endures the usual serve of Lord Downer humbug, and the Caterist's preening, condescending, floodwater oozings ...

 

Of course the venerable Meade led the Weekly Beast with the lizard Oz's flip flop belly flop attempt at kow towing to Pentagon "champagne" Pete ... Yes … er, no: The Australian backflips after signing on to Pete Hegseth’s Pentagon reporting rules ... but that piece of reptiliana was soon overshadowed by the attention seeking of Tamworth's eternal shame.

In turn Barners was a flash in the Graudian pan, David Littleproud urges Barnaby Joyce to stay in the Nationals amid speculation of a jump to One Nation, but there can be no end to once proud Tamworth's eternal humiliation while the Beast brays at the world.

Sadly, Barners' braying wasn't to be sighted anywhere on the top of the digital edition of the lizard Oz this morning ...



Instead there was some Nine bashing, and poor, hapless Susssan, looking like she was easy meat for the lettuce in their race ...



How wretched are the lizard Oz graphics?

Sensibly no one took credit for making the rag look like Mad magazine from the 1960s.

And how desperate must readers be to head off to the fragile archive to finish the read ...

COALITION IN CRISIS
Income tax cuts, slashing red tape: Ley to return warring Libs to policy traditions
Sussan Ley will vow to go to the election with a package to cut income taxes, slash government spending and unwind Labor’s IR agenda, as she attempts to unite the Coalition.
by Greg Brown

Meanwhile the reptiles were bleating about King Donald's tariffs, apparently unaware that their kissing American cousins at Faux Noise were on board ...

EXCLUSIVE
Business sounds Trump tariff warning as PM heads to Washington
Half of Australian industrial businesses report damage from the US tariffs, as employers warn of the ‘greatest disruption to global trade in a century’.
by Geoff Chambers

Geoff chambered another round ...

The sit-down of the year is finally here as Albanese meets Trump
Donald Trump, yet to appoint his US ambassador to Canberra, will likely be invited to visit Australia. With hopes the Quad could soon be rescued, Trump may find his way Down Under.
By Geoff Chambers
Political editor

Geoff treated it as a blood sport, with Albo about to enter the Colosseum... with this a teaser trailer ...



Over on the extreme far right there was the usual assortment, of the kind a deprived kid might find at the bottom of an Xmas stocking.

Instead of lollies, there were assorted lumps of coal ...



Major Mitchell was on hand to deliver the usual drivel for the Daily Zionist News ...

Trump’s success is a blow for activist media
Left-leaning media outlets want to see Donald Trump’s peace plan fail – and it colours their reporting.
By Chris Mitchell
Columnist

The pond has no time for the Major these days, especially as just across the way came the news that Israel had violated the ceasefire, with finger pointing and killings on both sides ...

CEASEFIRE THREAT
Israel strikes Gaza after Hamas ‘killed troops in attack’
Israel has conducted dozens of air strikes across Gaza and halted humanitarian aid after it accused Hamas of killing troops in what is shaping up to be the biggest test yet of the fragile ceasefire.
By Dov Lieber and Anat Peled

The pond decided it would hold over to a late arvo post simpleton Simon saying ...

What can an AI Maggie Thatcher teach our ailing Libs?
A Menzies bot offering guidance mightn’t be so strange amid desperate days for the Coalition, but in that absence, advice from the Tories’ Silicon Lady nails it.
By Simon Benson
Political analyst

What weird manner of fish or fowl is a "political analyst"?

Ditto the pond kicked the craven Craven to the arvo slot, but again, if the fragile archive is working, punters can get ahead ...

Will the Victorians ever revolt?
Victoria’s obsession with being the most progressive – that is, fashionably out there – state in Australia mixes policy ineptitude with the blackest of black humour.
By Greg Craven

The pond was yet again reminded why Melbourne is so much better than a Minns Sydney ... apart from the weather, and it being home to an array of barking mad Xian fundamentalists ...

Of course there was no mention in any and all of this of the No Kings rallies across the disunited states, nor any of the colourful signs and costumes...



Instead Lord Downer was on hand to offer sage advice on matters American...



The header: Anthony Albanese’s meeting with Donald Trump hinges on China, While Trump will want to drill down on Beijing, Albanese’s big takeaway should be inspiration from the US leader’s energy and ambition to get things done.

The caption revealing that Emilia had taken credit for the wretched collage: President Donald Trump will be interested Anthony Albanese’s assessment of China and its leader, President Xi Jinping. Artwork: Emilia Tortorella.

Please, Emilia, for the sake of humanity, sanity and your reputation, blame AI.

Lord Downer was all in on men in masks abusing hapless citizens ...

When Anthony Albanese meets Donald Trump this week, expect the meeting to be relatively trouble-free. There will be ready agreement on improving the supply of critical minerals. Trump will be fine with the AUKUS arrangements in general, and the current tariff arrangements on Australia will remain in place but will not get worse.
What Trump will be interested in is Australia’s assessment of China. This is the overwhelming preoccupation of US foreign policymakers. They are much more interested in China, and what they see as the competitive threat of China, than they are in Ukraine and the Middle East, all of which they think are eventually manageable.
What should impress the Prime Minister is Trump’s extraordinary capacity to get things done. He’s been back in office for just nine months, and in that time he has implemented just about all of the policies he promised during last year’s election campaign. First and foremost, he has stopped stone dead illegal immigration and started a controversial process of deporting illegal migrants. If that were all he had done in his first nine months, then that would still be seen as a substantial achievement. But the list goes on.

A substantial achievement? The list goes on? 

Some list, some achievement...



Ah Lord Downer means stuffing trade and stuffing the planet ...

In the race with China it might be as well to remember the words of Simon Tisdall in the Graudian ... Xi Jinping is preparing to go toe to toe with Donald Trump – and there will only be one winner

Holding court for the cameras in Sharm el-Sheikh last week, a manically self-congratulatory Donald Trump, Gaza’s make-believe saviour, hailed his fellow “tough guys” – tame tyrants, such as Egypt’s Abdel Fatah al-Sisi, who helped fabricate his flimsy Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal.
Yet later this month, the American pharaoh-president is due to face a far less biddable tough guy: China’s leader, Xi Jinping. Bookmakers may withhold odds on the outcome. In the US-China race for 21st-century primacy, Xi is sprinting ahead, assisted by spur-heeled Trump’s many missteps...

And to conclude ...

...Some analysts argue Xi doesn’t actually want to rule the world – and that the world doesn’t want Xi or his authoritarian brand. They claim his priorities, and China’s “core interests”, are unchanged: internal stability, national sovereignty, unchallenged CCP control, economic and social development. Yet, paramount at home after more than a decade in power, Xi’s ever bolder, confident actions belie such comforting theories. On present trends, the Sino-American struggle for primacy will inexorably intensify. Thanks to Trump, more fall guy than tough guy, it’s a struggle the US looks set to lose.
For the UK, this prospect is worrisome, to put it mildly. Scorned by Beijing, patronised by Washington, decoupled from Europe and reduced to the role of lonely bystander incapable of articulating a coherent China policy, Britain can only hope it avoids becoming collateral damage.

It's pretty much all anyone can hope for as the reptiles bizarrely stuck with the notion that this was a family.... NATO chief Mark Rutte speaks with Donald Trump as NATO country leaders gather for a family photo. Picture: AFP


If it's a family, it's a bloody dysfunctional one, for all Lord Downer's pumping up of the King ...

He has used America’s huge economic power to force open markets for American exporters. That may not mean much to us, but it has been quite something for US businesses that now have better access to markets such as the European Union than they had before Trump came to power.
And then there’s energy. Trump has pulled out of the Paris climate change agreement and deregulated America’s energy markets. Oil prices have dropped in the US by about 8 per cent since he resumed office, while gas prices have dropped by a little less, around 3 per cent to 4 per cent. But still, that makes manufacturing as well as daily living a little cheaper, and industry more competitive.
By bullying foreign corporations and threatening high tariffs, Trump has forced corporates to invest very heavily in the United States. This has led in just nine months to pledges of an estimated $US2.8 trillion ($4.32 trillion) worth of new investment in America. By the way, this isn’t particularly good news for us, but nevertheless Trump is the President of the United States, not of Australia. Just in case you’re wondering, the total new private sector investment in Australia over the past year increased by contrast by a paltry 1.7 per cent.

Only a deeply stupid man of the Lord Downer kind could see any upside in King Donald as climate scientist ... President Donald Trump dismissed climate change as “the greatest con job” in the world during his address to the United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday (September 23), doubling down on his scepticism of global environmental initiatives and multilateral institutions.



So King Donald withdrew from the world, and consigned the planet to a climate disaster? Apparently that constitutes real involvement in the rest of the world, at least in Lord Downer's alternative universe ...

When it comes to the world we were told that Trump was an isolationist and would withdraw American involvement from the rest of the world. How wrong that Democrat-led forecast has proved to be! Trump in just nine months bullied the Europeans into increasing their defence expenditure and increasing it very substantially. Presidents since John F. Kennedy have been trying to get the Europeans to carry more of the burden of NATO defence spending, but it’s taken Trump to get them to do it. And he did that in a matter of months.

Did he?

Others might differ on that take...

Trump’s approach has begun to fray at the bonds binding the alliance together. Rather than working on Trump’s terms, the Europeans have been seeking their own arrangements with Iran and separate trading agreements with some of the countries that were part of the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal, which the United States left in January 2017. In contrast to Trump’s penchant for personal diplomacy, public histrionics, and mixed signaling towards NATO, Kennedy and Johnson mounted calmer, better coordinated campaigns to get America’s allies to increase their defense spending. They used defter mixtures of unilateralism, bilateralism, and public and private diplomacy. Furthermore, both presidents took this course during one of the more perilous periods of the Cold War, when the threat of nuclear Armageddon seemed very near, and they did so while maintaining the alliance’s cohesion. (here)

Well yes, but Lord Downer is a starry-eyed MAGA loon ...

Then there’s Iran’s nuclear program. Presidents Obama and Biden laboured to try to get Iran to agree to a short-term arrangement suspending their nuclear program. That wasn’t for Trump. He told them that either they should destroy their nuclear program or he would destroy it for them. With the assistance of the Israelis, he did just that. It would cost Iran billions of dollars, which it doesn’t have, to rebuild its nuclear program, and if it tried, it would just be destroyed again. Common sense tells you that’s the end of Iran’s nuclear program.

Lord Downer's mindless hagiography continued in snap form, Donald Trump and regional leaders at the Gaza peace summit in Egypt.



Lord Downer waxed lyrical ...

And then there’s the Gaza war. It’s taken Trump less than a year to bring that war to an end and get the surviving hostages released. He has also begun a historic transformation of the Middle East by working, unlike his predecessors, very closely with the Gulf states as well as Egypt, Turkey and Jordan. So you might not like Trump for one reason or another, particularly as you’re told to dislike him by media outlets such as our own ABC. They never stop sneering and sniping at him, and that’s pretty much the view of journalists based in Washington.
But ultimately what matters is what political leaders are able to achieve, not the political prejudices of hacks.

At long last there came a very minor billy goat butt ...

Don’t get me wrong: Trump still has work to do. He hasn’t ended the Ukraine war yet, and that’s proven a far harder task than he had anticipated. 

But that minor billy goat butt was only put in place so that Lord Downer could butt that billy goat into oblivion ...

But watch this space; he’s working at it. 

In turn that billy goat butt was very short, because there came a few more problems for Lord Downer.

Such a billy goat, so many butts...

His tariff policy for an economic rationalist like me is anathema. It’s contributing to an increase in global protectionism, though that was happening before he came to office. And I’m told by Mike Pompeo that when he headed the CIA he warned Trump the budget deficit and debt were getting out of control. “There are no votes in reducing deficits,” Trump said dismissively. Well, beware the wrath of the bond markets if you’re a big spender!
Albanese should reflect on the message of the Trump administration. We all want political leaders who know what they want to do with their political power and get on with getting things done. That’s what we need in Australia.
Mind you, Australia doesn’t need protectionist and statist economic policies, so favoured by populist politicians in Europe and by Trump, and nor would we ever vote for such a personality. Effective as he may be in America, Trump appeals far more to a very different American culture than such a personality would appeal in Australia.

Does Lord Downer think his personality still holds appeal in Australia? 



Who knows, but the power of delusions is strong in this one, as the reptiles produced another distraction,  Mr Albanese with French President Emmanuel Macron at the G20 Leaders' Summit in India in 2023. Picture: AFP



Lord Downer wrapped up his outing with a job description, which only served to remind the pond that he'd been an epic, Iraq war mongering, failure in his own time...

But what we do need is leaders who identify our core problems and then energetically pursue solutions to those problems. In contrast to the Trump administration, our government doesn’t seem to know what it wants to do. Its main activity is to engage in party politicking and performative virtue signalling.
Instead of faffing around pretending that we can somehow change the global climate, and making vacuous statements about the Middle East, it’s about time we started addressing some of our core issues. We need to reduce our energy costs, do something about escalating government deficits and debt, and learn that governments have to live within their means.
We need to get away from this idea that economic growth comes from public expenditure; it doesn’t. It comes from profitable private sector investment in innovative and productive industries.
Overall, someone needs to rekindle a sense of excitement to get Australia’s mojo back. Australia has become becalmed, has lost its energy and ambition. We need leadership to restore that.
So that’s the lesson from Trump: not that we should copy his style or, for that matter, necessarily copy his policies. We’re a different country with different values. But we need politicians who call out about our problems and try to re-energise our country by solving them.

That's the lesson to be learned? 

Slavishly worship King Donald and then disavow his relevance? Praise his policies and then avoid copying them? Blather on about being a different country with different values? Take from the King only the need to be an energiser bunny, and never mind the many malapropisms and stupidities and divisive authoritarian cabal he's set in motion?

What a foolish Adelaide fop Lord Downer is ...



And so to what is just a variant serve of seminarian science, with the careering Craterist carrying on in his usual quarry-whispering way.



This day's outing is beyond the valley of the risible, with the flood waters fool rabbiting on about gambling integrity by pushing ideology as science ... yet another case of rampant projection ...

The header: CSIRO gambles its integrity pushing ideology as science, Government scientists dabbling in behavioural science in the race to achieve net zero should know minds are not manipulated as easily as behaviourists like to think.

Where would any climate science denying reptile outing be without a terrifying snap of whale-devouring windmills, and sure enough ... Wind farms near Portland in Victoria’s southwest.

The deeply ideological Craterist, without a hint of irony or of a science degree in his past, but pickled in ideology like a sardine in brine, was in bog standard form ..

There was a time when the CSIRO gave us useful things, like myxomatosis, Aeroguard and fungal-resistant cotton. Today, government scientists are investigating ways of messing with our minds. They are dabbling in the dark art of behavioural science to “drive impactful behavioural change” in the race to achieve net zero.
The CSIRO’s experiments in embedding climate messaging into popular culture are more evidence of an agency drifting dangerously out of its lane, crossing the line from applied science to propaganda. The project is led by Danie Nilsson, a behavioural psychologist who graduated from the University of Queensland with a PhD in Conservation Psychology.
Her expertise in this somewhat obscure field of knowledge has been put to good use by the CSIRO, which assigned her the task of developing narratives for the Nine TV show, Renovate or Rebuild. The aim is to “drive impactful behavioural change” in viewers. Nilsson worked with the producers at the storyboard stage to embed sustainable messaging in scripts. She then tested its effectiveness using surveys and focus groups.
She encouraged the use of “social normative messaging” by using apparently throwaway lines, such as “everybody is doing it these days”, in a segment discussing the installation of rooftop solar and batteries. “Putting rooftop solar on our house was a no-brainer,” says one couple in a snippet from the show posted on YouTube. “Some might say it’s like having money fall from the sky.”

The pond has no idea where the reptiles dig up ancient fossils so they can turn up on Faux Noise down under, but sensibly they preferred another terrifying snap of whale-ravaging windmills, littering the Hume with corpses down Goulburn way,  Former Howard government minister Peter McGauran has ripped into the government’s target of net zero by 2050 – claiming it will “never happen”.



It reminded the pond of a precious detail in the Rowe of the day ...




... but more of that at close of play ...

The words are kookily illustrated with a clip of the couple catching coins raining from heaven. “Our solar panels, coupled with the battery system, allow us to collect and store the energy we don’t use during the day,” the script continues. “It also helps us do our bit for the environment and our kids’ future.”
Nilsson’s research concludes that this works. She found viewers were more likely to prioritise the installation of solar panels or the purchase of an electric vehicle than non-viewers. The differences in attitude are relatively small but when the goal is to reach net zero, every little bit helps. The message is reinforced with celebrity endorsements. Using mass media to alter human behaviour is an art the advertising industry has been developing for years. Advertisers are reported to spend $US30bn ($46.33bn) a year on product placement, a figure that will probably surprise no one. You would have to be a remarkably naive viewer to think Tom Cruise wore Ray-Bans in Top Gun by chance.
Nudge tactics in pursuit of public policy goals are a different matter entirely. Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein’s influential book, Nudge (2008), was initially embraced by Conservative prime minister David Cameron in Britain. Yet it chills the spine after the experience of Covid-19, when we were nudged into doing so many things we now recognise as unnecessary at the very least.

The careening Caterist paused his climate science denialism to do a Killer, but was only so he could bitch a little more ...

Victoria’s former chief health officer, Brett Sutton, admitted last month that lockdown was a mistake. We hope he will bring this enlightened approach to his new role as director of the CSIRO’s Health & Biosecurity Unit.

Seething resentment is just standard Craterism, as he sought out like minds to help crater the planet ... Journalist Andrew Neil says both the UK and Australia could increase their defence spending from the money being funnelled into net zero policies. “You ask me where more defence spending would come from, in Britain and Australia, it comes from the money you were planning to spend on net zero,” Mr Neil said. “What is more important, making an infinitesimal difference in CO2 emissions … or defending the nation?”




Indeed, indeed, spend money on ways to blow sh*t up (*Blogger bot enforced), while sh*tting on the planet. What a win-win, maybe even bung on a third world war to show off all the brand new kit...

The CSIRO earned its reputation in the hard sciences in the realm of atoms, genomes and radio waves. It gave us polymer banknotes, wi-fi, drought-resistant crops and world-class astronomy. Venturing into the human sciences is a different enterprise altogether.
Engineering molecules or radio telescopes is one thing; engineering minds is another, venturing into the contested world of advocacy, ideology and moral instruction. The CSIRO’s strength lies in transforming nature for human benefit, not in reshaping humans to fit a constrained view of nature.
Channel 9’s management and board can answer for themselves about the ethics of screening agitprop television dressed up as reality TV. Renovate or Rebuild’s producer, The Blue Tribe Company, is unashamedly in the business of promoting net zero. Its company motto boasts: “We’re in the Business of Doing More Good”.
So-called “impact production” has become an established genre in the US, particularly in reality shows. Donald Trump may or may not be impressed to learn that his show, The Apprentice, employs an “eco-expert” to grill contestants on their green business attempts.
An article in Forbes magazine notes how the producers of Love is Blind encourage contestants to boast about their passion for sustainability to impress potential partners. The article claims that reality TV has “the power to normalise climate solutions by making sustainability exciting, aspirational, and a central part of the narratives”.
The American comedy drama Just Like That featured a lead character ordering a plant burger in a conscious attempt to impose climate-friendly norms.
The infiltration of popular culture with climate propaganda has the backing of UN climate change organisation the UNFCCC, which last year established a Film and Television Steering Committee “to harness the unparalleled power of entertainment to accelerate climate awareness and action on a global scale”.

Such a desperate paranoid, as if the only way people notice that the weather has been acting kinda funny lately is by watching the telly ...

Meanwhile, it was time for a snap of that hapless apologist, Former Victorian chief health officer Brett Sutton has admitted some Covid-19 measures went too far. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Andrew Henshaw



And so, with a deep sigh of relief, to the last of the Caterist ...

The cultural muscle being applied to this utopian project should prompt some sober reflection by the Liberal Party as it reconsiders its policy on net zero.
Winning the argument on policy fundamentals is the easy part. It is economically reckless, undermines energy security and industrial competitiveness, transfers sovereignty to global technocrats, and subordinates human welfare to abstract metrics.
Overcoming the sentiment that net zero is a virtuous aim and countering the seductive narrative of sustainability, niceness and kindness is not for the faint of heart, however. To challenge the delusion of net zero is to pick a fight with an international industrial propaganda complex.
What the party must do is separate the noise and pantomime within the beltway from the practical commonsense that prevails outside.
Minds are not manipulated as easily as the behaviourists like to think. Human behaviour cannot easily be reduced to a set of conditioned responses. As with the voice referendum, the condescension oozing from the advocates is an indication of weakness rather than strength.

Note the cunning way that the Caterist introduced the Voice at the very last, as he indulged in projection, what with his entire piece oozing with sneering condescension and a remarkable disconnect from reality ....

And so to discover that detail in the whole, with Rowe at least having a moment for Tamworth's eternal shame ... not to mention windmills, SMRs, nuking the bedding and the Doug Anthony all stars ...




Sunday, October 19, 2025

In which Polonial prattle and the bromancer make up the Sunday meditation ...

 

Such august, exalted, rarefied company ...



Stupid reptiles, per WaPo...

A reporter for the Turkish newspaper AkÅŸam signed the agreement, as did three individuals from the Turkish state-run Anadolu Agency and two Turkish freelancers. Other signers included a reporter for the Australian, a News Corp-owned Australian paper; an Afghan freelancer; and three lesser-known operations, AWPS News, the India Globe and a blog called USA Journal Korea.

Mea culpa ...



Cf Susan B Glasser in The New Yorker, Donald Trump’s Dream Palace of Puffery, The Pentagon’s ban on real journalism looks to be a preview of where the White House is headed.(*archive link)

Such a heady, albeit brief, moment of international fame

Speaking of snivelling lickspittle fellow travellers, Helen Lewis contributed a fun piece to The Atlantic, I Watched Stand-Up in Saudi Arabia, What the surreal Riyadh Comedy Festival foretold about the kingdom’s future (*archive link).

A teaser trailer:

...When he returned from Riyadh, Burr gushed about the experience on his podcast, Monday Morning. “My whole fucking idea of Saudi Arabia is what I’ve seen on the news,” he said. “I literally think I’m going to fucking land, you know, and everybody’s going to be screaming ‘Death to America!’ and they’re going to have like fucking machetes and want to like chop my head off, right?” However, “everybody’s just regular—like, shooting the sh*t.” (Blogger bot friendly) (His next special should be called Bill Burr’s Low Bar.) How could Riyadh be an ethically troubling destination, he added, when it was full of American food brands—Starbucks, McDonald’s, Chili’s? Nowhere with a Dunkin’ could be that bad, surely. He might not have known about Deera Square, a short drive from ANB Arena. Known locally as Chop-Chop Square, it’s the traditional location of public beheadings in Riyadh. Although the Saudis executed a record 345 people last year, public beheadings are now considered declassé, having been ruined by the Islamic State. I’m sure Burr could do something funny with that.
Burr’s words reflect the bland incuriosity that accrues with wealth. As I ate dinner one night at the Ritz-Carlton, in a Chinese restaurant overlooking the indoor swimming pool, I reflected that the promise of a five-star hotel is insulation, a cocoon against the outside world. A rich person—a successful comedian, say—could glide from the business-class lounge to the front of the aircraft to an air-conditioned limo to a luxury hotel where your dinner is interrupted by five different people asking if everything is okay. Live enough days like this, and the whole world becomes your bellhop. No wonder these guys like Saudi Arabia. The way that daily life bends around rich people is that little bit more obvious here.
After several days of backlash to his naive musings, Burr returned with another thought: His critics, he told Conan O’Brien, were “sanctimonious c*nts.” (*Blogger bot enforced) For me, the fairer complaint is that Western detractors were thinking about the festival the wrong way. They deemed it a PR disaster for Saudi Arabia because it exposed the regime’s hypocrisy about free speech and the performers’ cynicism. On the contrary, the festival said to middle-class Saudis: Do you need the vote if you have lots of money and Louis C.K.? That’s a trade-off that even many Americans would accept.
Burr also told O’Brien something that I fear is correct: that American society was moving toward Saudi illiberalism by “f*cking (Blogger bot censor) grabbing moms and dads and sticking them in a van for making illegally made f*cking tacos.” This, to me, was the greatest irony of the Riyadh Comedy Festival. With its Cheesecake Factory outlets and newfound interest in comedy, Saudi Arabia is becoming more American—just as America is becoming more Saudi. In the U.S., the government is stifling the media, due process is being eroded, the ruler’s relatives are sent on quasi-governmental missions, and businessmen make overt displays of loyalty. Donald Trump’s White House has given up lecturing other countries on their human-rights records and adopted a purely transactional approach to foreign affairs. Comedians are just following his lead.

Talk about laughs, and the lizard Oz reptiles were keen to follow Pentagon Pete's lead, at least for a little while, what with him being a must view for the troops ... Pete Hegseth's 'warrior ethos' speech is now mandatory viewing for the entire US military.

Why did the pond start with some comedy? 

Well today's Sunday meditation is tough going, what with Polonius's prattle covering the very same turf already covered by "Ned's" natter yesterday ...as if the pond hasn't already endured enough motivational speechifying, as if it was fair for the reptiles to try to ruin the lettuce's chances, as it battled suffering Susssan ...



The header: Liberals need to have their A-team on the frontbench, It’s all too easy for outsiders to give advice but in any contest – political or otherwise – it’s wise to have the best team on the field.

The caption for the mournful snap of a bewildered-looking Susssan (the more "s's" the greater the power and the karmic strength): The task for Sussan Ley and those who want Labor out of office is to be patient. Picture: NewsWire / Andrew Henshaw

On the upside, the reptiles had clocked the outing as just the usual four minute pontificating Polonial read...

The most memorable line in the 1880 comic opera The Pirates of Penzance’s Policeman’s Song is “A policeman’s lot is not a happy one”. The same is true of the leader of the Liberal Party in the modern era – currently Sussan Ley.
Only four Liberal leaders have become prime minister after defeating the Labor Party at an election – Robert Menzies in 1949, Malcolm Fraser in 1975, John Howard in 1996 and Tony Abbott in 2013.
Sure, Fraser was appointed to the role of caretaker prime ­minister in ­November 1975 after the then ­governor-general John Kerr dismissed Gough Whitlam’s Labor government. But Fraser won the sub­sequent election on December 13, 1975 in a landslide, ­indicating that he would have ­prevailed at the scheduled end of Whitlam’s second term in office.
Quite a few Liberal Party leaders have never made it to the Lodge in Canberra: Billy Snedden, Andrew Peacock, John Hewson, Alexander Downer, Brendan Nelson and Peter Dutton.
It’s all too easy for outsiders to give advice to the leader of a party in opposition. However, it’s not gratuitous guidance to suggest that, in any contest – political or otherwise – it’s wise to have the best team on the field.

On the upside, Polonius wasn't ranting about the ABC - oh frabjous joy to see such a rare day - and the pond held its tongue on its long-running Susssan v. lettuce routine, Shadow Attorney-General Andrew Wallace discusses the prospect of defectors within the Liberal Party. “It hasn’t worked well for others in the past and I don’t think it will work well for others … in the future,” Mr Wallace told Sky News host Danica De Giorgio. “I am absolutely fixed on ensuring that we toughen our laws in Australia. “I want to return safety and security to Australians.”



The reptiles allowed plenty of visual distractions, giving Polonius only two pars before inserting a couple of huge snaps of wannabes ...

The fact is that right now some of the most able Liberal media and parliamentary performers are on the backbench. I may have missed a few. But here’s my list in alphabetical order in the House of Representatives – Garth Hamilton and Andrew Hastie. And, in the Senate, Sarah Henderson and Jane Hume.
Senator Dave Sharma is an assistant minister but he is not in the full ministry. Senator Jacinta Price was dumped from the shadow ministry for failing to support her leader. And Hastie, the member for the seat of Canning in Perth, resigned in order to speak out on topics about which he disagrees with the Opposition Leader.

Cue the wannabes, Garth Hamilton. Picture: NewsWire / David Beach; Jane Hume. Picture: NewsWire / Martin Ollman



Polonius stuck manfully to his motivational methodology (3Ms), and inevitably Ming the Merciless (2Ms) joined in ...

It’s not clear how the talented outsiders can be brought back into the team or onto the field. After all, this would require sacking some underperformers.
But the Liberal Party’s numbers in the House of Representatives are so small that it cannot afford to have good performers on the bench or in the ­seconds.
In the Coalition, the Liberal leader chooses the Liberal players in the ministry or shadow ministry. And the Nationals leader, currently David Littleproud, chooses his team. There are also some good performers among the Nationals who are not on the frontbench. This was also the case before the last election when Keith Pitt was excluded.
What opposition has in common with prison is that parliamentarians have a pretty good idea of when their time in opposition may end. The next election is scheduled for around May 2028. The task is to settle in for the long haul.
This week it has been reported that some of the Liberal Party’s right-of-centre MPs are thinking about breaking away from the Liberal Party and forming a Reform party, following in the steps of Nigel Farage in Britain.
This would be a waste of time and resources. As I documented in my 1994 book, Menzies Child, in 1944 Menzies drew together some two score of right-of-centre political parties and organisations to form the Liberal Party of Aus­tralia. This was, and remains, a ­federation.
The Liberal Party exists in NSW, Victoria, Western Australia, South Australia, Tasmania and the Australian Capital Territory. In Queensland, there is the Liberal National Party – it is part of the Liberal Party but LNP members and senators sit in either the ­Liberal of National partyroom in Parliament House in Canberra.
And then there is the Country Liberal Party in the Northern Territory. Its representative in Parliament House, currently Senator Jacinta Price, sits in the Liberal ­partyroom, having decided to ­vacate the Nationals room.
In view of this structure, the talk of some members and senators leaving the Liberals and setting up their own party would be a gigantic task that would likely fail.
It’s not easy to organise, let alone finance, a new political party in Australia.

What better way to help than introduce the Bolter having a jocular moment with Jimbo, Sky News host Andrew Bolt discusses James Patterson’s suggestions for the Liberal Party. “Trump has won an election, and Farage is so far ahead, he might have the biggest landslide in our lifetime, I think if you followed some of the things he’s saying, you might not be in this stook,” Mr Bolt told Sky News host James Macpherson. “I think his point is this: you can’t just lazily copy a policy that works overseas and neglect the local conditions over here. “You can’t just be poll chases.”(sic)




Polonius then did his final gobbet best to help out ...

In recent times, only three minor parties have had a reasonable political life. They are the Democratic Labor Party, which split away from/was expelled by the Labor Party in the mid-1950s; the Democrats which, under Don Chipp’s leadership, broke away from the Liberal Party in the mid-1980s. And now there is the Greens political party.
None of the above have ever scored much more than 10 per cent of the political vote and the DLP and the Democrats lasted for only two decades.
The Australian system of preferential voting favours large parties. In the 2024 British election, Labour won 33.7 per cent of the total vote and 63.2 per cent of the seats in the House of Commons. The Conservatives won 23.7 per cent of the vote but only 18.6 per cent of the seats. The Tories’ problem is that the Farage-led Reform UK won 14.3 per cent of the vote but only 0.8 per cent of the seats.
It’s not impossible that Reform UK could prevail over the Conservatives in time. However, it’s unlikely that a Farage-lite party could succeed in Australia in a preferential voting system unless it had substantial support.
The task for those who want Labor out of office is to be patient. The Labor Party’s combined political success depends on the state of the economy in general and the standard of living – especially the cost of energy – in particular. To the extent the economy deteriorates and unemployment increases, the Liberal Party can recover.
In recent times, good advice had been provided by such Liberal Party identities as Angus Taylor, as well as senators James Paterson, Andrew Bragg and Sharma.
The task is to work hard and present well.
After Whitlam’s defeat in December 1975, the Bulletin magazine ran a cover story raising the question as to whether the Labor Party could survive. It was back in office under Bob Hawke’s leadership in early 1983. The same was said when the Coalition lost in 1993. It was back in office under John Howard’s leadership in 1996.
What the Hawke and Howard oppositions had in common turned on the fact that they had their most talented on the field. It made their lot easier.
Gerard Henderson is executive director of The Sydney Institute. His Media Watch Dog blog can be found at theaustralian.com.au

It's a small point, but the pond will make it anyway. 

The lizard Oz no longer carries the Polonial media hound, wherein Polonius frequently thinks he's a dog. 

As the thumb bio makes clear, it was shifted over to Sky Noise down under ...

Gerard Henderson is an Australian columnist, political commentator and the Executive Director of The Sydney Institute. His column Media Watch Dog is republished by SkyNews.com.au each Saturday morning. He started the blog in April 1988, before the ABC TV’s program of the same name commenced.

The pond won't provide a link, it's more just to wonder why the reptiles are so slack around this tedious droner and his boring offerings ...

Instead of Poloniuts, it was left to the dog botherer to do the reptile rant about the ABC this week, and for a nanosecond the pond thought of making the offering the Sunday bonus read ...

Just a nanosecond, because it was the usual sort of stuff the pond has come to expect from The Zionist Daily News ...

ABC finally reports Hamas executing Gazans – to blame Israel and Trump
In two years the ABC reported once on Hamas murdering Gazans. This week that changed when the executions cast doubt on Trump’s deal. Such sunlight on the reality of the terror group is welcome, but fair reporting should have been standard practice from the beginning.
By Chris Kenny
Associate Editor (National Affairs)

The pond is well over the rampant Zionism in the Oz, and the refusal of the reptiles to contemplate the wanton destruction and the ethnic cleansing that's gone down in Gaza,.

Each day the reptiles insist on offering this sort of Benji-loving tosh (spoiler alert, it's the climax to the DB's rant) ...



That's as much as the pond could take.

Here, have an immortal Rowe for making it this far ...




That happens to set the tone and the feel for the bromancer's offering, the bonus for this Sunday's meditation...



The header: All this, and rare earths too: the PM’s pitch to Trump, As he heads into face-to-face talks with Donald Trump, our PM has an unexpected edge: the Chinese Communist Party and Hamas have uniquely conspired for Australia to win US favours.

There wasn't really a caption for the astonishingly weak gif style caption which saw the two leaders pop up into frame with a Batman-style sparkle behind them:




To be fair, each day the pond is astonished by the abysmal reptile graphics; each day seems to get worse.

As for why the pond selected the bromancer, rest assured it wasn't for the insights. 

Given the turf and the subject matter, the bromancer gave the pond the chance to fling in some random 'toons, just for fun ...

That said, buckle up because the reptiles rated it a 9 minute read, and so of interminable, ennui-inducing length ...

Anthony Albanese has the help of two acutely unlikely friends in his effort to make a good impression on his first date with Donald Trump on Monday night Australia time.
The Chinese Communist Party and the Hamas terrorist outfit have both uniquely conspired to help the Australian win the favours of his American counterpart.
If Albanese doesn’t have a successful meeting with Trump this time, he surely never will.
Beijing chose just now to announce a whole bevy of export controls on rare earths. China is the rare earths superpower.
As its legendary leader, Deng Xiaoping, decades ago committed to and forecast, China has become to rare earths what Saudi Arabia was to oil, only more so.
Australia’s ambassador to the US, Kevin Rudd, has been trying to get a rare earths deal with the US ever since the Australian election. Beijing has just made the logic of such a deal very powerful.
Hamas, by agreeing to Trump’s ceasefire, has done two useful things for Albanese.
First, it provides a context in which Albanese, Foreign Minister Penny Wong and Defence Minister Richard Marles can all lavish praise on Trump without upsetting their left-wing base.
It may be a temporary situation.
The peace deal may not last. However much that is Hamas’s fault, Albanese, Wong and Marles would surely go back to demonising Israel if it resumed military action.
But the ceasefire will surely last beyond Monday, so the government in Canberra can keep singing Trump’s praises, the right way to maximise chances of a good Oval Office meeting.
The second Hamas gift is that Canberra’s foolish decision to recognise a Palestinian state when no such state exists will no longer be of any consequence in the context of the Trump-Albanese meeting.

The reptiles interrupted with a snap, The selfie game may be strong, but Anthony Albanese has less influence with Trump than any Australian prime minister since World War II has had with an American president. Picture: Instagram




The rictus grin! And so the pond seized the moment ...



Back to the bro ...

The Albanese government is making every concerted effort to make the Prime Minister-President date night a night to remember; to make it, if not magical, at least warm and fuzzy. It’s re-announcing all its defence projects, pretending it’s spending and doing much more than it is.
Yet it’s still the case that Albanese’s singular lack of serious ambition, focus and purpose in foreign affairs and strategic matters will likely lead to, at best, a mediocre outcome.
Albanese is not the worst Labor Prime Minister you could imagine.
Gough Whitlam nearly destroyed the US alliance.

Hang on, hang on, didn't ancient Troy in his endless book promotion tour scribble US alliance never in danger despite Whitlam-Nixon spat, Kissinger revealed, In an interview before his death, Henry Kissinger downplayed suggestions the US-Australia alliance was ever materially at risk during Gough Whitlam’s government.

He did, he did:

The Australia-US alliance was never at serious risk during the Whitlam government, revealed former secretary of state Henry Kissinger, and disagreements with Gough Whitlam were as much a factor of personality differences as they were about policy.
In one of his last interviews in the year before his death, Kissinger said differences such as that over the bombing of Vietnam and outbursts from Whitlam and his ministers caused concern in the White House but there was never any concerted move to cease ­military co-operation or end intelligence sharing.
“It’s conceivable (that) people said, ‘This kind of rhetoric should be penalised’,” Kissinger recalled in mid-2022. “It never reached an operational point. And I think it is inconceivable today.”

And so on, and the pond wishes that the reptiles got their stories straight, as the bromancer pressed on regardless ...

When his attorney-general, Lionel Murphy, ordered a Commonwealth Police raid on ASIO headquarters, this led to Washington cutting off intelligence sharing with Australia. The British and Canadians did the same.
Albanese is nothing like that.
Provided he doesn’t have to do anything substantial in Australia’s own defence, Albanese wants the US alliance to continue and to succeed.
This is a kind of minimalist, base-camp level of credibility in Australian national security. But it’s not nothing.
Given that Australia has no independent strategic capability at all and that we are living in, as the government and its agencies have told us, the most challenging strategic times since World War II, it would be literally insane for a Canberra government to oppose the US alliance or to allow it to fall into danger.
PMs and Presidents past
Nonetheless, Albanese has less influence with Trump than any Australian prime minister since World War II has had with an American president.
Trump is one year into a four-year electoral cycle and Albanese has met him only once and then very fleetingly.
The contrast with the past is damning for Albanese.
Richard Nixon wrote with unabashed admiration of Robert Menzies. Lyndon Johnson regarded Harold Holt as a close friend and came to Australia to visit him, and then came again for Holt’s funeral.
Paul Keating overstates his influence with Bill Clinton but there’s no doubt that Clinton sought Keating’s input and advice of regional issues. George W. Bush and John Howard were closer than the occupants of their respective positions had ever been and much of the structural integration the Australian system enjoys with the US today came from the Howard-Bush partnership.

The pond gets the strategy. 

The bromancer's piece is littered with snaps of PMs and Presidents, in an attempt to normalise the current reign of King Donald, and this strategy began with the French clock devotee and the sexual relations man canoodling...Paul Keating and Bill Clinton at The White House in September, 1993.



But these aren't normal times, and it's hard to normalise the new King...



The bromancer next resorted to his good/bad Trump routine ...

Rudd as PM was influential across the American political and bureaucratic system and had a generally good relationship with Bush. Barack Obama didn’t like Tony Abbott’s climate policies but had Abbott on speed dial when he wanted a favour. Both Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison did well with Trump in his first term.
But Albanese has been substantially a void in national security, and specifically American, policy. The Economist recently described the Starmer government in Britain, which so much resembles the Albanese government, as “aimless”. In strategic matters, the same adjective applies in Australia.
For although this will likely be a satisfactory meeting, though you can never be sure of anything involving Trump, it will suffer from Albanese’s lack of ambition in strategic and regional matters.

Oh you can pretty much be sure of many things with King Donald ...



The bromancer blathered on ...

Albanese has been motivated on the US alliance in part by domestic political considerations. Albanese comes from the left of Labor but he has been around a long time and he has seen the desperate damage Labor has done to itself whenever it looks like it’s undermining the US alliance.
A new raft of polling by the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney bears this out. Australians reject Trump overwhelmingly, but only 17 per cent think we should end the alliance. Almost half think the alliance more important than ever.
Trump is unpopular in Australia, the alliance is still strongly supported.
Australians have always distinguished between a president they don’t like and an alliance they treasure.
Nixon was unpopular in Australia but not the alliance.
Bush was deeply unpopular in Australia, but the minute Labor leader Mark Latham attacked Bush in a way that looked as though it might hurt the alliance, his ascendancy in the polls disappeared.
Bill Hayden as opposition leader briefly flirted with a policy banning visits by US nuclear-powered or armed ships. He quickly realised that given a choice between the US alliance and his leadership, Australians would choose the alliance.

Cue the next normalisation strategy, because all the way with LBJ and run the bastards over now feels like a very polite conversation, The PM Harold and then-US president Lyndon B Johnson. Picture: Supplied




Protests have come a long way since those days ...



Where's the shark?

Next the bromancer decided to devise a mission statement...

Albanese will never knowingly walk into that trap.
He will support the alliance. Not only that, the alliance suits him politically.
Australia is completely, 100 per cent reliant on the US for security.
In accepting that dependency so comprehensively, Albanese Labor frees itself of any responsibility for providing for Australia’s own defence or even having any strategically difficult conversations with the electorate.
Australia is a classic free rider on the US for defence. This allows Albanese to maximise social spending and minimise defence spending. Ugly policy. Irresponsible. Dangerous. Politically effective.
PM’s main mission
There will be four main objectives for Albanese’s meeting with Trump. The first is just to get a Trump benediction for the alliance and the relationship generally. No modern American administration has been so utterly dominated by its president and staffed by people who follow every presidential word as though they were Vatican altar boys following the pronouncements of the Pope.

So to another attempt to normalise the abnormal, Former Australian Prime Minister John Howard and former US President George W Bush when the pair were each in power in 2004. Pucire: Auspic/NAA



Why not show a more apt historical parallel, one that Colbert made a meal of in his monologue (YouTube link)...





Everybody loves an arch, from the Caesars through Napoleon to Adolf and King Donald, and the bromancer loves to see the need for benediction ...

Therefore, some sort of presidential benediction, encompassing Albanese personally, is essential. Objective two for Albanese will be to get a similar presidential benediction specifically for AUKUS. The AUKUS agreement is eccentric and strange in the way it has displaced ANZUS as the key acronym, or single word, symbolising the US alliance. It involves the UK. It’s right that Australia relates closely with the UK, and the US and UK together will notionally provide technology for Australia eventually to build nuclear submarines, although I remain very sceptical that any subs will ever be built in Australia.

Speaking of benediction ...




Did correspondents catch up with the latest move of the Woke Marxist?




Oh dear, what will the barking mad Catholic fundies make of that?

And speaking of barking mad Catholic fundies, the bromancer was praying for AUKUS...

But AUKUS, in emphasising the relationship with the UK, valuable though that is, actually takes away from the region and key security partners such as Japan. The moment of truth with AUKUS comes in 2031, after Trump has left the White House, when whoever is US president has to decide whether to go ahead and in 2032 transfer a Virginia-class nuclear submarine to Australia.
There’s every chance Australia won’t be ready to operate and base its own nuclear submarine by then. And there’s no chance the US will feel it has enough Virginias. My prediction is the president at that time will not say a flat-out “no” to Canberra, which will already have spent many billions of dollars on the project, but rather will say “not yet”. You’re not ready yet, we can’t spare one yet.

Then came another attempt at normalistion, with that parade of PMs and Presidents, featuring the onion muncher pretending to smirk at the Kenyan socialist. It looked more like a sinister sneer, in Then PM Tony Abbott meets US president Barack Obama in the White House in 2014.



The pond was still stuck on fundamentalist Catholics of the Nazi-loving, couch-molesting kind...



Always strange to see grown men well above the age of consent described as boys and kids ... but liars got to joke around ... while the bromancer spruiked the deal ...

In any event it would be crazy for Trump to walk away from the deal right now because Australia pays billions of dollars directly to the US to bolster its submarine industrial base, provides eventually hundreds of sailors to serve on US boats and, albeit very slowly, constructs a nuclear submarine maintenance facility in Perth that the Americans can use.
Even Trump couldn’t have organised a better deal for America than that.
Congress strongly supports AUKUS, in no small part due to prodigious, effective work by Rudd and his team.
The third big objective is a critical minerals and rare earths deal. Rare earths are not that rare but you need to find them in sufficient concentration to make mining and processing them economically viable.
Australia has rare earths in abundance. It also has a lot of mining and processing expertise. Australian company Lynas enjoys a partnership with Japan that Tokyo undertook to have a non-Chinese source of supply.

Hang on, hang on, speaking of that alleged processing expertise, didn't the lizard Oz editorialist downplay Australia's potential only yesterday?

...this is not a problem Australia alone can solve. China has monopolised the market because it has used government policies to make it uneconomical for others to compete. Building a rare earths mining, processing and supply industry in Australia will require other nations to step up with financing and firm commitments to buy products that may be more expensive than what has been on offer from China.

(S)he did, (S)he did, and the bromancer had to fall into line ...

Creating a non-Chinese source of supply is quite difficult. The technology involved in extracting rare earths, turning them into oxides, alloying them, smelting them into a metal and finally turning out magnets is exceptionally challenging, complex and hard. It’s different for different rare earths. So-called light rare earths are involved in all manner of everyday technologies. So-called heavy rare earths are particularly prominent in defence technologies.
It’s a sign of the complete dereliction of Western governments and the madness of applying the free market model to critical national security supply chains that China dominates 90 per cent of this trade. To make the weapons that it might need to use against China, the US has to buy Chinese rare earths.
Dumb? You think?
Beijing, following, it must be said, something like Washington’s example, has announced that from December it will apply new export restrictions.

Dereliction, madness and the war on China by Xmas in a Catch-22 mode, and perhaps, to the bromancer's despair delayed until well after Xmas?

Who'd have thunk it? Who'd have known? Who could have reported it?



Well at least the reptiles can sign up to ways of keeping such sordid matters hidden ... and earn plenty of bones in the process.

Speaking of compliant woofers, the reptiles flung in a snap of US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. Picture: AFP



That's got to be worth a rich man 'toon ...



The bromancer stayed strong ...

Any component with even a speck of Chinese rare earths will require Chinese approval to be sold. So if one US company makes a hi-tech component to sell to another US company it will need Beijing’s approval.
How would Beijing enforce such a rule? Simply by refusing to export to a company, or indeed a country, that doesn’t follow this rule. Trump hit the roof when he heard about this. US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent responded by saying the US and its allies should decouple their economies from China if China goes ahead with this rule.
Trump and China’s Xi Jinping are likely to have a meeting on the sidelines of the APEC summit in South Korea in November. Beijing’s new restrictions are scheduled to go into effect in December. So it may be that the extravagantly unreasonable and aggressive move by Beijing is, again a la Trump, essentially a negotiating position.
Trump has certainly been clearing away all sorts of irritants to allow him to make a Big Deal with Xi. However, almost everyone in the US system understands that this dependence on Beijing for critical technology is extremely dangerous.
This is where Australia could come in.

Say what, we can come in, join up, with radical forces seeking to end the reign of King Donald?




The pond keeds, it keeds ... there's some serious bromancer strategising going down ...

The problem is that China can always undercut any other supplier on price. Beijing, with Indonesia, destroyed much of the Australian nickel industry this way. Incidentally, to do this they built a slew of coal-fired power stations in Indonesia.
The problem with a strategic deal between Australia and the US on rare earths is that the trade is carried out by private companies. The companies building the hi-tech equipment will always go for the cheapest price, unless directed otherwise by their government or in receipt of a subsidy.
On rare earths, China has massively outplayed the West. The US has known about all this for at least 15 years but very, very little has been done to counter Beijing’s dominance.
Rare earths exports are only worth about $15bn for Australia this year, but the potential, if anybody actually does take security seriously, is vast.
Albanese’s final objective for the meeting should be to try to get Trump interested once more in the Quadrilateral Dialogue involving the US, Japan, India and Australia. Trump’s mismanagement of the India relationship, apparently because Narendra Modi won’t nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize, is the most counter-productive and irresponsible element of his entire foreign policy so far.
Australia’s key interests with the US are to maintain the alliance and keep the US involved in our region. A more ambitious prime minister would try to get Trump more actively involved regionally because in his administration the only things that get serious traction are the things Trump takes a personal interest in.

Yes, yes, regional involvement, it's just what we want and need ... how else to score the right laughs?



Hard to choose, they both do great comedy stylings, whether it's a Qatar base or baseless defences of neo-Nazis.

And that just about finished the bromancer, and it certainly finished the pond ...

Australia has huge natural advantages with the US. Washington needs our geography to disperse its forces in the Indo-Pacific. It has rare earths the US wants. It has a big trade deficit with the US. It’s going to spend 70 per cent of its defence acquisition budget on US kit. And Australia is popular in the US. There’s no natural MAGA constituency to beat up on Australia as there is with France or even Canada. Anyone who doubts this should watch the screamingly funny Netflix series The Residence.
Given all these enormous advantages, surely Albanese gets a good result with Trump?

Indeed, indeed, perhaps we can get the same good result the disunited states are currently getting ...