As the pond waded through this preposterous pile of "Neddy" cow dung, celebrating the intrepid deeds of Scotty from marketing, the pond wondered why it had begun to howl at the moon, and then it came with some force - it's delusional "Ned's" notion that there's an actual plan, when it's really just a revival of the old saw, all the way with LBJ, except this time it's a more general all the way with the USA, and bugger the unknown tab because it's doing to be a great chowdown ...
There's been no detailing of the plan, there's no costing of the alleged plan, there's ultimately no explanation of how the plan will work, though Crikey's Rundle (paywall) trundled out an elaborately paranoid piece which included this note:
...Submarines are intended as an auxiliary force to protect a navy proper and civilian shipping. Trouble is we have no navy proper. We have three destroyers and eight frigates, and after that it’s coastal craft. This is not a force that can defend a coastline such as ours. Thus the AUKUS boosters billed and cooed about the silent, deadly power of the nuclear-attack subs, these sleek beasts of the undersea, acknowledging, indeed celebrating, that their role would be well beyond our local waters as part of what is laughably being constructed as a defence against China, and is actually the encirclement of it. Our valiant subs would be an indispensable part of multinational defence, etc, etc…Trouble is, this confrontation with China has also been constructed as occurring now. In the inevitable comparisons with World War II, we are being told we’re in the 1930s. And our first subs weren’t and aren’t going to arrive for 15 to 20 years — rather late for the rematch with Hitler/China.
Furthermore, the US has more than 50 attack-class subs and 18 nuclear-missile subs, and is committing 60% of its forces to the Indo-Pacific region. This notion of being a vital component by those plucky little fellas Down Under is all obvious spin...
And so on ...
As previously noted by the pond noting Michelle Grattan, this is the plan ...
Morrison’s planned nuclear-powered subs come without any estimated cost (except they’ll be more expensive than the French ones); or precise timetable (except they won’t be available for a couple of decades); or decision about which boat will be chosen (except it will be American or British), or firm indication of how much building will be done in Australia (except that it won’t be all of it and possibly only a modest amount).
And this, per Grattan, was the diplomacy ...
To add insult to injury, on Sunday Defence Minister Peter Dutton suggested the Australian government had been “upfront, open and honest” – the French could have read the signals of our discontent with their $90 billion submarines contract, including in Senate estimates hearings. This latter reference brought to mind then Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull suggesting to Barack Obama that if he’d kept up with the Northern Territory News he’d have known about Australia’s lease of the Port of Darwin to the Chinese.
Never mind, the pond was vastly relieved to learn, via the secessionist paywalled west, that important and significant diplomacy had taken place on Scotty from marketing's current trip ...
No doubt much will flow from that strategic alliance, with important strategic initiatives and announcements to follow ... but now back to "Ned", and his bore the socks off everyone plan ...
Call the pond paranoid, but that mention of "first" sounded like the beginning of one of those "Ned" listicles that can go on forever.
The cunning old fogey once again confounded the pond ... there was only a "second" ...
And what's more, that "second" saw the war on China magically dissolving, a new trade treaty done, and all well in the Indo Pacific, and if you can swallow that from "Ned", the pond has some French subs going cheap, stashed out the back, in the outdoor dunny ...
Sublime really, the test not being France, it being China, and yet what will the Chinese see when they look at France?
By "Ned's" very own account, a necessary act of duplicitous, double dealing, secretive, furtive bastardry ... ruthless, yet also misjudged ... perhaps even conducted by a dumb country in diplomatic terms ... one where the mutton Dutton can be gratuitously offensive, and SloMo doesn't even bother to attempt a phone call because of the response he knows he'll get, yet still whines about the Chinese not taking or making phone calls ...
Per Grattan again ...
It’s telling that the unveiling of the new AUKUS agreement last week was surrounded by more showmanship than diplomacy. The leaders of Australia, the US and Britain were successfully linked for a synchronised performance. But Morrison apparently did not manage to speak personally to French President Macron when a massive contract was being torn up.
AUKUS carries Morrison’s individual branding. It may be the most significant legacy of his prime ministership; however long he is in office, it will certainly be one of them.
It has all the Morrison hallmarks: his own work, conceived and executed in secrecy, kept to the smallest possible round of colleagues, details to be worked out much later, and little concern for the incidental fallout.
Or as the immortal Rowe put it in his usual anal way ... with more crapular Rowe fun here ...
And so to other reptile business, and truth to tell, the pond wondered how the reptiles might go this day, torn between their contempt for unions and their contempt for comrade Dan ...
Luckily the demonic Damon was on hand to soothe the pond's shattered nerves. Comrade Dan had been offensively everywhere, now he was nowhere ...
Indeed, indeed, what a pity that the rioters had been inspired by too much reading of the reptiles ...
Oh they get you coming and they get you going, at least if you're comrade Dan, it's the reptile way ... and the pond noted that the lizard Oz editorialist was also in on the sport ...
Luckily the pond could join in the reptile game by tossing in an infallible Pope...
As for the rest of the reptiles below the fold, much as the pond would have liked to spend time with Tezza brooding about China, or Georgina blathering about Ming the merciless and freedom of thought - the spawn of Lord Downer aspiring to thought, now there's a thought - the pond knew its duty.
Today was IPA chairman day, come on down Dame Slap ...
Smart debate on the issues of the day? Yep, Dame Slap knows all about that ...
The pond's excuse? Well if Dame Slap can invoke Buckley v. Vidal, the pond can surely fondly recall the donning of the cap ... you know, in the interests of smart, IPA sponsored debate ...
The pond could barely control a fit of the giggles as this kissing cousin to Faux Noise's best carried on in her "Lord" Monckton worshipping way ...
Suffice to say that the pond has been around the block any number of times with the reptiles and Dame Slap briefly sucking up to Leigh Sales has as much credibility as Dame Slap righteously talking about large swaths of the media offering an ideologically narrow product.
Oh just shut the fuck up or at least revert to form and don your climate denialist MAGA cap ...
Oh wait, here it comes, it turns out - why is the pond not surprised? - it's really all the fault of the ABC, and Dame Slap came to praise Sales ... so that the entire ABC might be buried ...
How does Dame Slap live with her nauseating dissembling? You know, of the "commercial media groups are entitled to make their own judgements about what viewers want" kind ...
That's because when it comes to the crunch, Dame Slap is just another reptile, as interested in spirited debates about as much as Faux Noise or Sky News after dark is ...
What she really wants is the ABC to turn into another IPA propaganda arm, another outlet that will heel as commanded ... and when she talks of reflecting the full diversity of the country, she actually means the full diversity of Gina's mob, which isn't that diverse when you think about it for a Slappian nanosecond...
Dame Slap wants to find things out? So she goes to "Lord" Monckton for her climate science?
Go sing that nonsense on a mountain, or tell the Chairman, or better still, don the polarising MAGA cap while chanting climate denialist nonsense to pander to Gina ...
And now the pond should offer a PS, because the reptiles are yet again infatuated by an EXCLUSIVE poll ...
An ACL poll? And this time it's by PureProfile? And is it just the pond, or does that Martyn look a little odd? And what's with the "y"? And yet more talk of "freedumb"?
So many questions, and all the pond could think was that it had a spare New Yorker cartoon handy ...
Oh and the pond was also ready to cheer on Xian freedumb ...
And now a thanks and shout out to correspondents and their assorted fun links. As Dame Slap has been speaking of Twitter, this series particularly captivated the pond ...
Well it was more fun than a Dame Slap column, and given a choice between a Slap and a tweet, there the matter rests ...
I suppose the entire Pond project is to celebrate the Loon's detachment from reality but it still astounds me some days.
ReplyDeleteIf you had been hiding in the bunker since 1962 and emerged to read Ned's offering you would probably assume that Australia was a rising superpower and China was a recalcitrant minor player in need of attitude adjustment, requiring a bit of tough love.
Consider this - "is Australia a dumb country a dumb country in diplomatic terms or can we exploit the golden opportunity that Beijing has given us?". The old duffer has just detailed at tedious length the "dumb" case. I think he really has become desensitised to the constant miscalculations and blunders and thinks that's how diplomacy is done.
It's a bit like the British, having failed at every step in delivering Brexit, think they can thrive by outthinking the oily euro types. You know they will emerge from any deal without their pants.
Tell me again what the symptoms of dementia are.
DeleteAs long as typing with two fingers and omitting the occasional definite article aren't symptoms I am happy.
DeleteJust after reading the Pond this morning I happened upon this:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/morrison-is-making-an-enemy-of-china-and-labor-is-helping-him-20210921-p58tek.html?btis
It made me think how entertaining a cage fight between Keating and any reptile of your choice would be. Ned copped a bitchslapping from the usually ineffectual Truffles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1mKwsciemo so he would probably throw in the towel. Doggy probably wouldn't come out of his own yard, Dame Slap doesn't seem to venture much out of the IPA motte - so who would front up?
Sitting here in the aftertime of the East Gippsland 6-shake and wondering what the surrender-monkey Froggies are on about. The deal for French subs was a business contract, not a declaration of a mutual defence for life marriage nor yet a profession of undying love. So what are they carrying on like 2-bob watches for ?
ReplyDeleteIt was a business contract that had become increasingly unsatisfying to the party doing the paying for some time and it was cancelled - accepting the usual penalties - for a supposedly better option. So why is everybody pretending that he French - whom we have supported and saved with Australian lives in two World Wars - have any justification for their childish hissy-fit.
The US have screwed over French defence industry again (see what happened with Alstom/GE energy division etc). Oz is just a bit of incidental road-kill, useful idiots if you like. Not much can be done to retaliate against the US but the sidekick . . . . . ?
DeleteI'm still trying to work out why Australian lives lost in France during two world wars have any bearing on the subs deal - or at least the French reaction to Australia cancelling it.
DeleteNothing to do with the deal itself, Merc, just the utterly childish French reaction to it being cancelled - they are claiming to be "insulted" by a perfectly ordinary contractual termination. From long before Napoleon, and more so ever since, they've been a bit silly.
DeleteI wonder what the Algerians would say about France ? We know what the "New Caledonians" would say.
The Beetrooter is going on at some length about this
Deletehttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/20/barnaby-joyce-says-australia-proved-its-commitment-to-france-during-world-wars-amid-aukus-dispute
It's odd that folk who don't want to take responsibility for dispossessing the traditional owners because that is all in the past think they can claim credit for something their great, great uncle might have done.
I didn't think it was so much "taking credit for" as trying to show that Australia, and Australians, aren't anti-France. Despite the French behaviour in the Pacific including the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior and sundry nuclear bomb tests on islands with very deleterious results for the inhabitants thereof.
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ReplyDeleteThe good Dame really as come in off a very long run with that one, bless her.
I wholeheartedly agree with her that BEST OF ENEMIES is first class viewing, I think all who haunt the pond would love it. But I'm afraid (brace yourselves) she seems to have misread the most of it.
I acquired the film at Berlin Film Festival a few years back, and on first screening, I saw it as the cornerstone of Fox News - the lodestone if you will. It was the moment that heated political arguments became televised fodder. And it's brilliant. Chiefly because the protagonists are intellectual equals.
What she misses - what they always miss - is that the conservative cohort in Australia are so intellectually stunted that they have zero chance of stumbling upon a William Buckley Jr. I mean, who do you suggest Dame? Chris Kenny? Michael Sukkar? Tim Wilson? The pool is so, so, so shallow.
The closest we have come to Gore versus Buckley was Marr versus Henderson. Yep, that's how bad things are.
Having completely missed all of that, can anybody say just what was so wonderful about Vidal vs Buckley ? I can't recall either of them actually having any noticeable effect on the world, so what am I missing ?
DeleteHave a look at the film BEST OF EMENIES. It's quite excellent - Beama, Kanopy, Netflix - or run of the mill TVOD - it's out there.
DeleteBoth the Dame and I highly recommend it. What they did - without knowing it - is change TV forever. It's a throughly entertaining film. I've always enjoyed the wit of the both of them - though just like 2021, the defender of the conservative view is diced up - but very nicely mind - by the progressive.
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DeleteGB,
DeleteForget Buckley and Vidal. The Mailer-Vidal Fight is up there with Ali-Frazier with the added bonus of referee Dick Cavett landing a few haymakers on Billy M as well.
I would also note that despite Dick being at times a, well, dick, his series is a priceless treasure trove of the greatest and not so great artists, writers, politicians,crooks and schnooks,sports heroes, movie mavens, media stars of the moment and the general Hoi Polloi of the latter half of the 20th century ever assembled.
Shown here on the Decades Channel, in the past few weeks alone it featured brilliant turns by Orson Welles and Peter Ustinov, round table discussions with 4 of the great screenwriters of the 1970's, white trash Georgia Guv Lester Maddox, Ono and Lennon,
etc etc.
Cavett also took a horse drawn carriage tour conducted by Tennessee Williams all around New Orleans's French Quarter before settling down for a back yard chat.
If the Cavett show is on You Tube or elsewhere online, it's worth a look as it is light years ahead of whatever is playing on your TV at the moment.
Err, Mailer versus Vidal ? Well, at least I have vaguely heard of them, but:
Delete"Commencing at about the point where they'd become the two most famous writers in the world, Norman Mailer and Gore Vidal engaged in a vicious and oh-so-public feud that went on for decades. Their 1971 confrontation on the Dick Cavett show is probably the most famous literary encounter ever captured by television."
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17316526
The "two most famous writers in the world" for what - for being "famous". And what about Henry Miller ?
And there's this:
Gore Vidal vs Norman Mailer | The Dick Cavett Show - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb1w_qoioOk
Oh well, a way to fill in a bit of time in still mostly locked down Melbourne, I guess. Thanks vc and JM.
As well as the real thing, there's this, with Cavett recalling his time as the ref ...
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4VbKdbF48
Mike - thank you for those links, and reminders of the time of great raconteurs. In the current attempts by Rupert's reptiles to encourage us to try it on with China, I offer Ustinov's little dialogue from 'Romanoff and Juliet'
DeleteYou don't mean to say you're going to get us involved in war just because two people have fallen in love?
Have you ever heard of a war that started for a reason half as dignified as that?
A guide to the quality of research by the Australian Christian Lobby can be found on 'PureProfile' website, which includes this (which I think used to be called 'unsolicited testimonial' in the ads for cigarettes or toothpaste)
ReplyDelete‘The thing I enjoy most about Pureprofile is the simplicity of earning rewards and the ablilty to redeem these awards in cash which is currently helping me save for a trip next year.’
Brii, 17, Victoria
Pureprofile member
This was a simple copy and paste; I resisted the almost automatic urge to correct 'Brii'
Not just another name for Compass/True North, then Chad.
DeleteBut isn't that the way they collect fta tv ratings: through a fixed set of rewarded regulars ?
So long as we do not underestimate the 'ablilty' of MEMBERS of PureProfile, like Brii. ON no particular evidence, I guess 'PureProfile' does not share office space/computers with Compass and TrueNorth, simply because there is ample space for several 'consumer survey' operations, and with bodies like various institutions blessed with the Menzies name, and 'Christian Lobby' and similar offering cash for surveys that produce the goods, then entrepreneurs in this area will go for it. The methodology is simple, and there is no professional body with any teeth to verify that you are a genuine survey organisation. Bit like proclaiming yourself a 'bioethicist', apparently.
DeleteHere we go again: more of that simple minded attribution and projection by the reptiles. So Slappy says: "Sales might have mentioned the narcissism of modern journalists who want to lead and be followed." Well of course, and how absolutely refreshing to find the likes of the Murdochratia, all of whom just want to "find things out". Though I don't know why seeing that they already know all that is to be known.
ReplyDeleteAbout Sales, though, there has been some comment about whether or not Sales was actually abused; see:
Leigh Sales' bullying claims don't stack up
https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/leigh-sales-bullying-claims-dont-stack-up,15529
In any case, would it surprise many people that Sales's main audience - tv and twitter - are so-called "leftists" ? Would one imagine that, for instance the Catallaxy mob would also be 7:30 addicts ? Does Sales, and presumably Slappy, think that only fair and reasonable people watch the ABC and therefore it's some sort of surprise that verbal bullies also watch and respond ?
Just a small note on Georgina's "contribution": Menzies' referendum to allow him to ban the Communist party in Australia was held on the 22nd of September, 1951, a mere 5 tears after the end of WWII and somewhat before we all got worked up over "the red menace" from one of our major wartime allies. The voting results were:
Anti-communist referendum Sep 22 1951:
For 2,317,027 49.44% Against 2,370.009 50.56% Diff: 52,982.
For: Qld, WA, Tas Against NSW, Vic, SA
So, just how many "knew then, as we know now, that too much repression of subversion endangers freedom of thought." ? It's certain that Menzies and the Liberal Party didn't. And to think that just 10 short years later Menzies would be rescued when Communist Party preferences in Jim Killlen's electorate got him re-elected and gave Menzies a meagre 2 seat majority.
GB,
ReplyDeleteYou are right of course about Mailer/Gore not being the two most famous writers at the time.This is probably more the case of some 26 year old writing about what he considers ancient history.
However they both were quite popular at the time, Mailer the would be Hemingway of the Gutter.
Later on Gore wrote "Lincoln" which (as a bit of a Civil War scholar in my youth) I thought was excellent history-wise but lacking as a good read.
DP, Thank you for that link to a modern day Cavett commenting on Gore/Mailer.
I hope I didn't come off like a Cavett groupie, it's just that one is starved for intelligent discussion on the boob tube. I come here because of your work and your posse's responses despite not knowing of or understanding some of the deeper goings on of your political scene.
That doesn't matter as you guys rock and if you and your Bush Rangers ever hosted a talk show it would be "Must See TV" as they used to term it here.
Ah well, JM, times change and fashions change with them - at least I have heard of Vidal and Mailer, but they were somehow just never on my "must read" list and nor was Miller to be honest. And I've lost track of the number of authors and works that I once read more or less avidly but have all but totally forgotten now. Stephen Donaldson for one (urgh).
DeleteHowever, if I ever encounter Vidal's 'Lincoln' as least I'll know it's worth a look.