Sunday, August 20, 2023

In which the pond returns to the usual suspects for a cartoon-led Sunday meditation and recovery session ...

 

Regrets? The pond has a few, perhaps too many to mention. The pond regrets that yesterday when it mentioned the Killer in passing ...




... that it didn't honour Killer with a Klassic Kartoon ...





The pond regrets that it can't spend quality time with Charlie Sykes at Ron DeSantis: Real Man of Political Genius ...

...As chance would have it, the debate will take place the same week that his main rival for the GOP nomination will be arrested, fingerprinted, and have his mugshot taken — after his fourth criminal indictment.
His strategy?
Defend Donald Trump.

The pond regrets that there's nothing in the lizard Oz that provides an easy segue to a story in The Graudian, Vice blocked an article criticising Saudia Arabia. This is why we published it instead

There's even less reason to provide a direct link to the story, Saudi LGBTQ refugees live in fear of being kidnapped, but there, it's done, another regime led by a sociopath celebrated ...

The pond regrets it has even less reason to link to a Daily Beast story, Layoffs Gut Project Veritas: ‘What the F*ck Happened Here?’, outside the paywall here. This was a baying mob, designed to produce sting videos of the most reprehensible kind, suddenly whining about power-drunk tyrants and layoffs ...

The pond also regrets that it's always forced to choose between reptiles ...

Garrulous Gemma made an astonishingly bold claim on the pond's attention by suggesting a link between gender identity and a hatred of Israel ... but the pond could only showcase that bit of her meandering mendacity ...




For a moment, the pond wondered if gruesome Gemma had more than her tongue in her cheek when she mentioned gender identity and anti-Semitism, but decided even this weird 'sensa huma' was beyond her. 

Meanwhile, the exceedingly corrupt and cynically far right Netanyahu wanders off, unnoticed by garrulous Gemma ...

The pond also regrets that it's been constantly red carding the likes of Dame Slap and petulant Peta. The pond knew that Dame Slap most likely couldn't resist mentioning the Lehrmann matter for the umpteenth time, but the pond decided to give it a go, and instantly regretted the choice ...




The pond regrets that it immediately went searching for a word to describe women hating women, but it seems that "misogynist" covers the entire field.

The pond regrets that its search turned up some pop psychology, and even worse that the pond was beguiled by Berit Brogaard's 12 Ways to Spot a Female Misogynist ...

But at last it became clear, as the pond scurried through the examples, and landed on this ...

The Misogynistic She-Devil
1. The She-Devil sees herself as superior to other women, and at least on a level with, if not above, the top alpha males she encounters. In her view, other women are manipulative, dishonest, irrational, incompetent or unintelligent, but somehow she is exempted. She might possess some stereotypical feminine virtues like beauty and slenderness. But she perceives herself as instantiating the stereotypical masculine virtues of intelligence, the strength of character and rationality, and her behavior is more manly than that of her male coworkers, classmates or friends. Don't be surprised if she can outdrink all of them.
2. She is in constant competition with other women and would rather kick a woman off the career ladder or out of school than help her progress. But she masterfully escapes detection and punishment for her bad behavior. As you wait for the elevator with your box of memorabilia and your withering office plant, your rival is one step further up the career ladder, her triumphant laughter hanging in the air.
3. She is host to dark personality traits. Her firm belief that she is superior to other women points most strongly to narcissism. But narcissistic traits are also routinely present in borderline personalities and psychopaths. In the general population, dark traits tend to be subclinical, which means that they are not associated with the level of dysfunction seen in clinical cases. But mixing high functionality with sinister character traits is more likely to give you a Molotov cocktail than a Cosmopolitan.

It seemed pretty clear cut, and the pond found it completely impossible to read on without thinking of that she devil narcissism ...



It all fits, and that talk in the pop psychology study of shafting rivals reminded the pond that in recent years, Dame Slap has become an expert recipient of leaks ...

There was this yarn, for example ...



The pond would like to have run the full story, but with the deepest regret, it stumbled across Kieran Pender's story in The Saturday Paper, The climate case that has the Morrison government scrambling (seemingly outside the paywall), with the lede The leaking by the Morrison government of court submissions shows its antagonistic attitude towards the judiciary, particularly in cases related to climate change. 





Of course Dame Slap has become a conduit for leaks, notably in the Lehrmann matter, but wherever else she can skew and distort ... and at the heart of it is that aforementioned she devil misogyny ...





Of course you could never suggest that Dame Slap was interested in collegiality and kindness. Take her classic rant, which the pond likes to revive every so often, and which survives at the WSJ ...





Of course the WSJ version is stripped down. There's no reference to the likes of Alan Jones or Dame Slap's daughters, as in the original ... as found at the WM here ...




Instead the WSJ ended with a classic bit of pandering, of the kind that only a narcissist in her prime could manage ...




Thank you America? Narcissists know how to don the MAGA hat, but should the pond go there?





No, better to have a cartoon-led recovery ...






Sorry, Sunday is where the pond likes to have a cartoon-led recovery day, and it was badly needed, because in her final gobbet, naturally Dame Slap returned to the Lehrmann matter, as Tamworth dogs returned to their vomit after being affected by the noon day sun ...



Did the pond learn anything? Well perhaps there is a place for pop psychology in the universe ...

She is host to dark personality traits. Her firm belief that she is superior to other women points most strongly to narcissism. But narcissistic traits are also routinely present in borderline personalities and psychopaths. In the general population, dark traits tend to be subclinical, which means that they are not associated with the level of dysfunction seen in clinical cases. But mixing high functionality with sinister character traits is more likely to give you a Molotov cocktail than a Cosmopolitan.

The pond regrets that topping up of the lizard Oz Molotov cocktail, but even more deeply regrets that its bonus is the traditional reading of prattling Polonius, flogging a long favourite 'Nam hobby horse ... and naturally, inevitably, it's all the fault of the ABC ...




Is it possible to out pedant a pedant? If we're talking about a drawdown of forces, there was this ...





Billy, with the koala bear looks and the split skirts wife, just finished what Gorton had started, because forelock tugging to American decisions was the way to go ... and he did it in such a half-arsed way that there will still troops to withdraw when Gough arrived on the scene ...

After the Whitlam Government was elected on 5 December 1972, it decided to withdraw the last of the Australian troops from South Vietnam. So the AAAGV was disbanded on 17 December 1972. The last veterans of the AAAGV, including the AATTV, left South Vietnam in two RAAF C-130 aircraft on 18 December. (link as above)

So indeed the Whitlam government did withdraw the last of the Australian troops in Vietnam ...but weasel-word Polonius has a way out of that one ... 

Never mind, the pond had promised a cartoon-led recovery, and as the United States has been mentioned, that's more than enough of an excuse ...










Now back to the Polonial prattle, and whadday know, there's the aforementioned weasel words suddenly land ...

Suddenly 'troops' have become 'advisers' ... because that's how Polonius does his history, and that's how you can deprive Gough ... never mind that they were army troops, they were just a bunch of training advisers  ...





Indeed, indeed ... though the pond does recall that there were a lot of white feathers out and about back in the day ... by the likes of lickspittle war mongers and followers of Ming the Merciless ... and yes fellow traveller Polonius was big on the war ...






But enough unpleasantness ... this is cartoon-led recovery day ...







And so to the final gobbet ... and it finds Polonius in defiant mood, and as an expert peddler of fake history, you can rely on him to recognise the art ...




Never give up, never admit you're wrong, never admit it was a futile and stupid war. Never wonder at the damage done to the United States, and to Vietnam, and to countries such as Cambodia, caught up as collateral damage.

At least Robert McNamara had the grace to have a conscience, instead of  a meal of mealy-mouthed platitudes and authoritarian Lee Kuan Yew as a reference ... Smithsonian here ...

Vietnam was a war the Americans couldn’t win and Robert McNamara couldn’t make peace with.
In April 1964, a U.S. Senator described Vietnam as “McNamara’s War.” Robert McNamara himself, in the middle of his tenure as defense secretary, embraced the moniker, wrote Tim Weiner for the New York Times on the occasion of McNamara’s death in 2009. “I am pleased to be identified with it,” he said, “and do whatever I can to win it.”
Less than four years later, he sat in front of the yellow backdrop of a newscast and announced his resignation, on this day in 1967. “No one of my predecessors has served so long. I myself did not plan to. I have done so because of my feeling of obligation to the President and to the nation,” he says. A beat passes.  “Although I have felt for some time that there would be benefits from the appointment of a fresh person.”
8,500 miles away, the war would ultimately cost 58,000 American lives and more than three million Vietnamese ones, to say nothing of its long-term impacts on the country where it was fought. The Vietnamese people and American veterans continue to endure the effects of Agent Orange exposure today.
McNamara wrote in a 1995 memoir that his own behavior in shaping the war was “wrong, terribly wrong,” but, to many—including then-editor of the Times Howell Raines—that confession was too little, too late.
“His regret cannot be huge enough to balance the books for our dead soldiers,” Raines wrote in an editorial.  “The ghosts of those unlived lives circle close around Mr. McNamara.”
Even if insufficient, Weiner writes that his contrition appeared sincere. McNamara was frank about his career in The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert McNamara, and in his autobiography.
“I think the human race needs to think more about killing,” he says in the award-winning documentary’s trailer. “How much evil must we do in order to do good?”
The “lessons” McNamara discusses in the film encompass many of the military events he participated in or witnessed during his career: American firebombing of Japanese cities during the Second World War, the Cuban Missile Crisis and of course Vietnam.
“What I’m doing is thinking through this in hindsight,” he says in the documentary. “... I’m very proud of my accomplishments, and I’m very sorry that in the process of accomplishing things, I’ve made errors.”
McNamara expressed regret, but never made a formal apology for his central role in stoking the conflict in Vietnam. Nor did he speak out after stepping down, although by 1967, as Raines wrote, he realized the war had to be stopped to avoid “a major national disaster.” His public contrition came at almost a thirty-year remove from when it might have affected the war.
“Surely he must in every quiet and prosperous moment hear the ceaseless whispers of those poor boys in the infantry, dying in the tall grass, platoon by platoon, for no purpose,” the Times editor wrote “What he took from them cannot be repaid by prime-time apology and stale tears, three decades late.”
Eight years after that editorial was written, Fog of War premiered. McNamara lived another six after that, dying in his sleep on July 6, 2009, at the age of 93.

There are plenty of other studies of McNamara's failure and regrets ... in The NY Times here he was reported talking about the Domino effect, much beloved by the likes of Polonius ...

Polonius has long peddled a variant of the Domino theory, relying on the thoughts of authoritarian Yew ... (behind the lizard Oz paywall, but available at Polonius's self-publishing institute, from way back in 2016)

...Certainly the Vietnam war was lost by the Saigon government. However, the 521 Australians who fell in the conflict did not die in vain. As Edwards acknowledges, the US-led Vietnam commitment delayed a communist victory by 10 years — much to the benefit of nations such as Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore. This was also to Australia’s advantage.
Long-time Singapore leader Lee Kuan Yew (1923-2015) once pointed out that Southeast Asia was better able to withstand a communist victory in Vietnam in 1975 than it would have been a decade earlier when the non-communist nations of Southeast Asia were not so well established. That’s not a myth.

Note how the loss is lumped on to the Saigon government. Note how the dominoes were saved, though Vietnam has had a Communist government since the end of the war, and remarkably southeast Asia isn't in a position to oppose the Chinese government turning the south China sea into a communist lake.




How did Pearls and Irritations turn up in that mix?

How might it all have ended up in an alternative counter-factual universe?

...Ho Chi Minh became a communist in the 1920s and launched a revolution back home in the 1940s after the Japanese occupied French Indochina during World War II. Again, he looked to the US for help.
Agents of the OSS, the Office of Strategic Services — the precursor to the CIA — were parachuted into the jungles of North Vietnam in early 1945 to make contact with him; in fact, a US medic helped nurse him back to health from dysentery and malaria.
The initial US intelligence assessment of Ho Chi Minh was that he was more nationalist than communist and was an acceptable partner. So, the US provided him with weapons and training teams to help teach his Viet Minh guerrillas how to fight.
Ho Chi Minh's admiration for the US is most clearly seen in the language he wrote in Vietnam’s own declaration of independence, which he issued on Sept. 2, 1945, just as the Japanese empire was crumbling in defeat. The first line of that declaration is a direct quote from the American version: "All men are created equal; they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights; among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."
It’s likely this was partly sincere, and partly a play for US help in decolonization, based on Franklin Delano Roosevelt's anti-colonial rhetoric.

Talk about missing a counter-factual boat.

As for what McNamara thought about the Domino effect, this was what he had to say ...

...Mr. McNamara says he belatedly concluded that the domino theory enunciated by President Dwight D. Eisenhower and subscribed to by his three successors was wrong: The loss of South Vietnam never threatened to undermine the entire American position in Asia or to undercut United States credibility elsewhere.
"On the contrary," he writes, "it is possible we would have improved our credibility by withdrawing from Vietnam and saving our strength for more defensible stands elsewhere."
Others in Government reached similar conclusions but did not share them widely. Mr. McNamara discloses that Richard Helms, at that time the Director of Central Intelligence, sent President Johnson an eyes-only memo in September 1967 that the President showed to no one and that Mr. McNamara only recently read. Based on a detailed agency study, it said that, contrary to what was then established American doctrine, the effects of "an unfavorable outcome in Vietnam" -- a United States defeat or withdrawal -- "would not be permanently damaging to this country's capacity to play its part as a world power working for order and security in many areas."

But you have to hand it to Polonius. He's a stubborn, blinkered, silly old bugger, without the capacity of even a McNamara for some introspection and reflection, and completely incapable of admitting he's been flogging a head horse for decades ...

On the other hand, on the upside, the United States is diligently playing its part as a world power wording for order and security in many areas, and the pond will end its cartoon-led recovery with one celebrating success ...






10 comments:

  1. Opening with a quote from Dante? Is Our Henry Syndrome now running wild amongst the Reptiles? Still, other than that it’s the usual torrent of bile from Dame Slap - nothing much has changed during her long series of red cards.

    While I don’t want to be a Polonius-like pedant (actually, I do), can I note that Slap is a bit sloppy in her ranting? “Women are pouring into law schools at a rate of knots, more than 60 percent..” Wot, 60% of women now study law? Okay, I know that’s not what she meant, but such sloppiness by others would surely earn a rap over the knuckles from Dame Slap’s ruler. Do as I say, not as I do.

    As for Polonius - still fighting yesterday’s wars, the local equivalent of those Japanese soldiers who never surrendered in 1945 and were still popping up in the 1970s. Of course Polonius wasn’t a contemporary participant in ‘Nam - he was called up from the Reserves long afterwards. Have we ever seen an explanation for his non-military service? Of course he may have been ineligible for National Service, or his numbers may simply not have come up, but surely he could have at least tried to enlist if he felt so strongly on the issue? Perhaps, like that great chicken hawk Dick Chaney, he “had other priorities”.

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    1. Polonius was born in September 1945, or so the intertubes say. Compulsory national service for 20 year old males was introduced in 1964. If his number didn't come up, why not volunteer to save south east Asia and Australia from those Communist dominoes? Solidarity comrades. Where did the pond leave that white feather?

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  2. On Monday of this week, I commented on the Sunday interview with Littleproud, on the ABC, that, as residents of what we understood to be his electorate, we wondered if Littlejoh thought his electorate was Mythanoa, rather than Maranoa - such was the misinformation he offered (when he offered any information at all) in response to Speers' questions. Yet our Polony slips in the snark about 'unprofessional intervention by an interviewer', in correcting otherwise unspecified (but 'alleged'??) misinformation by Littleproud.

    OK Polonius - try to be specific, where Littleproud was unwilling. Was it about the supposed 'Mum and dad' pharmacy businesses? Ten years back, the then (much better) member - and National - tabulated 24 towns in Maranoa that had but one pharmacy, but these were not necessarily wholly-owned 'Mum and dad' operations. For more than half of those towns I can identify that the pharmacy is either part of a larger franchise, or operated as part of the hospital or extended medical clinic; and a couple of them have gained extra pharmacies - from the larger franchises.

    Numbers of small 'nuke ular' power plants for Australia? Nope - no number came to our Littlejoh's mind, even when Speers offered one.

    In fact, Speers applied a soft interview, perhaps understanding that if he asked Littleproud to justify any of his brain snaps, people would turn off at an even greater rate. Polony, of course, would applaud anything that would have viewers turning-off any part of the ABC, in any circumstances.

    But the snark is there - if only to tick the box for 'holding the ABC to account', or whatever the postit at the side of his screen reminds Polony to do.

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    1. Yeah but then when dealing with the Littlejohs and Polonys of this world, it's never what actually happened that matters, it's always and entirely what they tell you happened that matters.

      And exhibiting any admittance of reality is never what they tell us.

      Just like Dame Slap and Monckton and the UN 'world government' that DP has alluded to again. Not one iota of semblance to reality to be seen anywhere. And then, of course, forgetting entirely about her "teenage daughters" comes the reptile get out of jail card: "if I don't ever mention it again, then it never really happened."

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  3. Six Months Sofronoff - "Dame SMS" suggested as Sofronoff's loonpond moniker, as Albrechtsen obviously on speedy leak dial, due to Dame SMS having the stupendously errant opinion of The Dame, to wit "“But he placed his faith in a particular individual and that faith proved to be massively misplaced with huge consequences for everyone.”.

    Fool. Six months sayeth the beak. And a defamation action when released.

    And Dame Professor Hoo-Haa Juju too.

    Dame Slap moniker is akin to wet lettuce leaf slap in the wrist now,  Dame Professor Hoo-Haa (we'll leave off the juju til Tamworth) - hating and baiting and bullsh^t, and particularly direct pipes not "leaks" from !  Dame SMS !

    And no wonder Dame Professor Hoo-Haa was pissed. Beaten to the punch by Samantha Maiden.
    They have more sources than Escoffier;
    "At 5.28pm on August 2, news.com.au published a story by Samantha Maiden about how the inquiry had found the prosecution of Lehrmann for the alleged rape of fellow political staffer Brittany Higgins “was properly brought but made damning findings about the conduct of the Director of Public Prosecutions, Shane Drumgold”.

    "This information, Maiden wrote, came from “sources who have been briefed on the contents of the report”.

    "Her story would have sent The Australianinto spin. It was already unhappy with Barr saying the government would delay the report for a month and reasoned that more bits and pieces would start coming out.
    https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/what-were-you-thinking-walter-sofronoff-20230808-p5duxn

    And other info by;
    "Charges considered over Sofronoff inquiry leak
    ...
    "Barr indicated Sofronoff provided the report to Albrechtsen first, several days ahead of the ABC, which received it after the chief minister but before it was officially published. Both had been told it was embargoed.

    “He had a view that the reporting might be more accurate if journalists were provided copies in advance,” Barr said of Sofronoff’s reasoning. “But he placed his faith in a particular individual and that faith proved to be massively misplaced with huge consequences for everyone.”

    "Barr said he had also provided it to Brittany Higgins’s lawyer. The former judge had offered no apology."

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/media/2023/08/11/charges-considered-over-sofronoff-inquiry-leak

    Hoohaa.
    "English
    Alternative forms
    hoohaa, hoohar, hoo-haa, hoo-har, hoo-hah, hoohah

    Etymology
    "Perhaps from Yiddish הו־האַ‎ (hu-ha, “a hullabaloo”).
    "The second sense is likely expressive; compare such similar terms in other languages as Spanish juju."
    [NSF-LPond] yet If I were Spanish...

    This must need a new term for a rolling snafu, as this saga has become one bomb after another.

    Cluster (bomb) Sanfu?
    C-Sanfu: Went off once above the scene. Killed one and maimed many. But the bomblets keep exploding when those Dame SMS types enter the field of unexploded bomblets. Russian made. High failure rate.

    A juju of a C-Snafu.

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    1. "But he [Sofronoff] placed his faith in a particular individual". And he was right: she did exactly what any sane, half-way intelligent person would have expected her to. Maybe Sofronoff thought all those articles she's written - that DP has thoughtfully saved us from - were actually 'well balanced journalism' ?

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  4. What will the Bromancer have to say about this:

    Australia to buy Tomahawk cruise missiles in $1.7bn spend on long-range defence capability
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/aug/21/australia-to-buy-tomahawk-cruise-missiles-in-17bn-spend-on-long-range-defence-capability

    Long range defence ? How far is it to China anyway ? About 7400km you reckon ? And the missiles we're buying have a strike range of 1500km ? Yeah, that'll be good enough, won't it.

    But anyway, let us be very thankful that:
    The US navy is still more powerful than China’s: more so than the Australian government is letting on
    https://theconversation.com/the-us-navy-is-still-more-powerful-than-chinas-more-so-than-the-australian-government-is-letting-on-208466

    More and more US ships showing up in Australian ports ? No wonder all those NZedders want to become Aussies.

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  5. I just had a very brief look at that 'ADH TV' that you keep referring to, Chad. All I can say is that I'm glad it's you and not me that keeps an eye on it. But hey, where else would Beautiful Daisy Cousens and Alan Jones both be fully at home.

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    1. I am happy to keep an eye on it, GB, because, taken in small doses, it is unconscious parody. You can also learn odd things like - Windschuttle keeps his eyes closed while being interviewed - or perhaps that is just because it is Flinty trying to interview. You think 'Ned' Kelly is ponderous - look in on Flinty hosting (?) a TV show, even if only to numbers like 387 viewers. That, incidentally, adds to the fun, because none other than Maurice the New Man, is shovelling money into its production. And, of course, that living parody, the Beautiful Daisy Cousens, who may actually be Tina Fey trying to settle in Oz.

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  6. Hmm.

    Peter Dutton Proposes Extra Day of Work if Matildas Win
    https://theshovel.com.au/2023/08/16/peter-dutton-proposes-extra-day-of-work-if-matildas-win/

    Yep, that would have been just the thing. What a real pity that they lost.

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