
Ripe fruit from low hanging vines for the gourmet connoisseur from last week's Q & A on the ABC.
ANNE HENDERSON: Well, they weren't there, Christopher, that's all I was saying.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: I'm sorry to say that without the....
ANNE HENDERSON: I didn't say it was a smear.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: No, the efforts of Fabianism is you...
ANNE HENDERSON: But you're good at smears.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: The efforts of Fabianism...
ANNE HENDERSON: What's wrong with a smear?
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: I'll get to the end of this sentence if it kills you, let alone me.
ANNE HENDERSON: We have to interrupt you, Christopher.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: The efforts of socialists and social democrats to make sure that things like education and health do not depend upon private charity given by rich people and religious institutions to the deserving poor are the reasons why a lot of it is taken care of because it's taken care of, because we would have welfare and...
ANNE HENDERSON: Hang on, I wasn't rich. But, just a minute, there's another smear. I wasn't a rich person giving charity where it wasn't got. You have to understand the problem...
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: I didn't say that you were.
ANNE HENDERSON: Well, it seemed to come across that way.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: I didn't even imply that you were. No, the efforts of Fabianism and social democracy - socialism - were to make sure that these things didn't depend on the voluntary whim...
ANNE HENDERSON: Yeah, but they don't do that now.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: ...or the idea of the deserving poor. Now, that's the first point.
ANNE HENDERSON: I know about Fabianism.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: The second point - well, because it's so taken for granted now, I love to remind people. Actually this meant...
ANNE HENDERSON: But that was a long time ago.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: This meant social, political action, as you correctly say...
TONY JONES: Hang on for one second.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: As you quite correctly say, and I can help you out here by emphasising it, quite a while ago. That's why I said not to forget it. Now, to the point about religious activism. Isn't it true - haven't you all heard that Hamas does so well because it supplies social services? Are you going to say that the same is true for Hamas, an Islamic jihad? Never mind that they're religious. They distribute services where otherwise there'd only be secularism and corruption. Well, if you want to claim that, you can't just claim the charitable part of it, it seems to me. Mother Teresa endlessly praised for work that most of the time she actually never did. I went to watch her very closely in Calcutta. You don't mind that she thinks that what Bengal and Calcutta mainly needs is a campaign, a clerical campaign, against birth control and family planning. Has anyone here ever been to Bengal and concluded that's what it really needs? That's what she was really campaigning for, in case you are worried. But never mind. She gives a wonderful impression of being a charitable person. So what Indians need is more missionaries to cure poverty, when everybody knows there's only one cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women, which means giving them some control over their reproduction. You name me - you name me a Catholic or Muslim charity that goes into the fields determined to secure the empowerment of women...
Ah the joys of a rampant atheist set loose in the antipodes. A lot of heat, even if not much light.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: Did you say violently?
ANNE HENDERSON: Pardon? I missed that.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: You did say violently?
ANNE HENDERSON: Well, violently, as well.
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: I know you didn't mean to.
ANNE HENDERSON: I agree with you. I agree with you on all that that you say about violence among religion. And that's the point. I like the old Greeks and the Romans. You had a god of war and a god of peace and, you know, you had different kind of gods. I like that. But the idea that we're all following the Pope, I think, is a bit misguided.
TONY JONES: Okay, I want to...
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: You're either Roman Catholic or you're not, but you can be tonnes of kinds of Catholic.
ANNE HENDERSON: Oh, you'd be surprised, Christopher.


















