The pond would like to claim its joining the boycott of Eurovision next year, but as the pond has never watched a single show, that would be a bit of a stretch.
Not that news of that kind troubled the lizard Oz reptiles this day, as the claims about EXCLUSIVES reached absurd, extravagant heights ...
High-stakes battle over skyrocketing doctors’ fees
‘All options on the table’: Labor takes on specialist doctors’ fees
Out-of-pocket costs for specialist doctors are crippling consumer budgets. Now Labor is declaring ‘all options are on the table’ as it contemplates unprecedented action.
By Natasha Robinson
In what bizarro alternative universe was that an EXCLUSIVE?
The ABC read the same report, just to make sure it could continue its role as reptile little Sir Echo, Value of private health insurance 'eroding' as doctors urge reform
There were other EXCLUSIVES as well ...
‘Designed to defame me’: Judge’s stunning accusation against ODPP
Judge Penelope Wass’s stunning accusation against ODPP
A NSW judge has called for the potential removal of chief prosecutor Sally Dowling SC, alleging she orchestrated leaking confidential information about an Indigenous child to damage the judge’s reputation.
By Ellie Dudley
Inside the Fox family’s secret development ambition for Melbourne’s Capital Golf Club
Speculation is swirling among Melbourne’s richest golfers over exclusive $1m memberships at the Fox family’s new golf course – and the massive profits that could flow from secret plans.
By Damon Johnston
The pond can EXCLUSIVELY report that these EXCLUSIVES hold absolutely no interest for the pond.
The more the reptiles disappear up their EXCLUSIVE fundaments early each day, the less inclined the pond is to pay attention.
Ditto this ongoing reptile jihad:
The Albanese government is adopting a ‘repatriation by stealth’ approach to returning women and children.
By Rodger Shanahan
Just to vary the recipe a little, the reptiles stepped outside the tent and dragged in an author and Middle East analyst.
The pond also passed on this beat up ...
No matter where you stand on migration numbers, creating a more affordable, efficient and fair system for recognising overseas skills and qualifications is the kind of reform that makes sense.
By Martin Parkinson
That was the work of another fellow traveller ...
Martin Parkinson is chancellor of Macquarie University. He served as Secretary of PM&C and Treasury...
...and he concluded with the sort of deadening blather that litters the rag ...
No matter where you stand on migration numbers, creating a more affordable, efficient and fair system for recognising overseas skills and qualifications is the kind of reform that just makes sense. It is a political no-brainer.
Unfortunately that meant the pond had to stand with the usual Friday suspects ...
The header: Furore over burka unmasks Senate’s lack of courage; The case against the burka must be discussed because difficult issues can only be addressed through frank and open debate.
The caption for the narcissistic clown attention seeker: Pauline Hanson parades herself in a burka in the Australian Senate in November. Picture: Getty Images
Yes, this day our Henry went Pauline, but don't worry, there will be the usual portentous array of pompous references to justify his allegiance to the fish and chips supplier ...
But the Senate’s reaction to Pauline Hanson’s attention-grabbing gesture was no less paradoxical. One might have expected the Greens – who disdain religious freedom, vaunt their devotion to eradicating patriarchy and rarely encounter a prohibition they dislike – to leap to the barricades, excoriating the burka’s suppression of female individuality. Instead, masking hypocrisy beneath choreographed outrage, they responded with cries of indignation whose intensity would, in more decorous eras, have been reserved for the most revolting forms of public indecency.
Labor’s reaction, though more restrained, was no less at odds with the principles it incessantly espouses. As for the Liberals, the best they could muster was to murmur that the matter might be worth debating – while showing little appetite for engaging with its substance.
But it is hardly as if there is nothing to discuss. There is, after all, no part of the body more crucial in defining personal identity than the face. Far more significant to humans than to any other species, the face is so central to social interaction that an entire, biologically costly, region of the brain, located in the fusiform gyrus, is dedicated to recognising faces and deciphering the constantly changing signals their expressions convey.
Actually, if the pond might be so bold, whenever the pond is confronted by religious garb of any kind ...
... the first thing the pond sees isn't the face, it's the garb, which comes with a realisation that many people inhabit strange alternative worlds.
But more of that anon as Our Henry will try to wiggle out of his determination to ignore other religious garb while berating Islamics ...
The reptiles decided to soften the debate by having Susie have a chat with the dog botherer ...
News Corp’s National Education Editor Susie O’Brien voices her concerns about One Nation Leader Pauline Hanson’s recent political stunt, where she chose to wear a burqa. “I’m sure it plays right into the hands of her voters … as far as I’m concerned it’s a cheap and nasty political stunt at the expense of Muslim women,” Ms O’Brien told Sky News host Chris Kenny. “You can have that debate, but you don’t need to do that dressed as a Muslim woman with the face covered in the floor of parliament.”
Now on to the pompous references ...
That, of course, is precisely what the burka historically was – and remains – designed to achieve. By rendering the woman unidentifiable, it erases both her defining features and her public existence, reducing her to an object that is a mere extension of her husband. Moreover, in doing so, it imposes formidable costs, dramatically restricting the wearer’s social intercourse, narrowing or eliminating opportunities for gainful employment, and rendering many physical activities difficult or impossible.
To this, there is a standard liberal reply – one as intellectually lazy as it is misleading. If the woman consents to the submission, the argument goes, society has no more right to intervene than it does to impose the wearing of Mao jackets. The reality, however, is that liberalism is not only committed to personal autonomy; it is equally committed to preserving the conditions that make that autonomy possible.
That is why John Locke – who forged the modern liberal conceptions of personal identity, political equality and individual freedom – was the first philosopher to insist that one cannot renounce one’s moral standing by consenting to become another’s slave. The duty to take, and answer for, one’s own decisions is, Locke argued, an inalienable aspect of human agency. It follows, he concluded, that there must be limits to the scope of individual choice.
Liberal societies have therefore always intervened to restrain even voluntary acts that would destroy the autonomy they supposedly express – acts that damage the individual or erode the civic values and foundations on which freedom depends. Nor does the fact that the burka is worn for religious reasons exempt it from those limits, any more than it exempts polygamy, pubescent marriage or female genital mutilation from legal restriction.
The uncertainties and ambiguities surrounding “consent” only strengthen the case for prohibition. Feminists have long emphasised the ways in which entrenched social norms constrain the choices women make, especially when refusal to submit carries heavy personal or communal penalties. And the 658-page official report that preceded the French ban in 2010 highlights just how often the decision to wear the burka was shaped by intense pressure – including threats and actual violence – that stripped it of the essential elements of freely given consent.
Not bad, from Dante to Locke, with a dash of Mao, and the reptiles helped out with a cheap snap from the archive ...John Locke.
The next set of references was a little more downbeat.
The tobacco-funded, fox-hunting Roger Scruton is definitely of the second rank ...
Allowing the burka consequently enables coercion and involuntary submission. In making it possible for some to freely consent, it facilitates forcing others to do so against their will, just as would permitting polygamy, pubescent marriage and female genital mutilation in allegedly “consensual” cases.
The damage, however, does not end with the women themselves. As the European Court of Human Rights found when it upheld the French ban, concealing the face “call(s) into question the possibility of open interpersonal relationships, which form an indispensable element of community life”.
Roger Scruton once observed that “the ‘wealth’ of the ‘public life’ lies not in self-determination or collective action but in the multi-stranded liveliness and spontaneity arising from the ongoing intercourse of heterogeneous individuals and groups that can maintain a civilised coexistence”. Echoing that insight, the court concluded that “the barrier raised against others by a veil concealing the face” fundamentally violates “the right of others to live in that space of socialisation which makes living together easier”.
For no particular reason, Our Henry also dragged in Hannah Arendt.
Then came the worm wriggle:
In the end, the burka would be far less serious if its proponents were – like the Amish, the Mennonites, ultra-Orthodox Jews and nuns and monks in cloistered communities – quietists, whose goal is not to alter our way of life but to peacefully withdraw from it.
Hang on, hang on, the pond is all for Laïcité, as much as the next baguette carrier, but if you're going to go down that path, it's not just one in, it's all in ...
Ban 'em all, or else you end up on the slippery relativist slop of favouring one bunch of fanatics over another ... and the next thing you know you're in a school molestation crisis.
Since when has the abortion-banning, hectoring, interfering, relentlessly campaigning Catholic church earned the label of quietest? And ditto the Zionists urging on the ethnic cleansing of Gaza?
The wretched nuns who smacked the pond across the chops and went around measuring skirt lengths on eight year olds wasn't in some cloistered community.
Sure they've been beaten back, but they can still be found in certain places in abundance.
The pond remembers being surrounded by a pack of them in St Peter's square, inducing a dire case of PTNSD, a flashback to tortured Fellini films where black-robed crows scuttled across the screen ...
That's the debate Our Henry dares not have.
Bashing Islamics is easy peasy, but bashing fundamentalist tykes and fundamentalist Jews in the same sentence is entirely outside the remit of the Australian Daily Catholic Zionist News ...
That is the shadow that falls across this debate – and which polite evasions cannot dispel. It must be discussed, as must the objections to the arguments set out here, because difficult issues can only be addressed through frank and open debate.
A warning Hannah Arendt drew from her experience in interwar Europe makes that debate all the more important. The demagogues, she noted, “possessed an unerring instinct” for the controversies elites sought to suppress. “Everything hidden in silence became of major significance; and the mob really believed that truth was whatever respectable society had hypocritically passed over.”
Yes, these are tough problems. And yes, the easy option is to stifle debate. But no Senate can bury the risks they create or the tensions they inflame. If senators don’t have the moral courage to face them, they should make way for those who do.
Pathetic really, and worse, there was again no chance to segue to other stories involving hypocrisy of a stunning kind ...
“I do think there have to be consequences for abject war crimes. If you’re doing something that is just completely unlawful and ruthless, then there is a consequence for that,” Hegseth said during an event with the Liberty Forum of Silicon Valley in April 2016.
“That’s why the military said it won’t follow unlawful orders from their commander in chief. There’s a standard, there’s an ethos, there’s a belief that we are above what so many things that our enemies or others would do,” he added. (The Hill)
Sheesh, and the pond had just the 'toon for it ...
And where's that damned war on Xmas?
And what happened to the war on Bad Bunny?
And Crikey had a note that sent the pond into a deep cringe ...
Nauseating, and to crank up the nausea past 11, the pond turned to Killer for the Friday bonus ...
The header: Daniel Andrews and Jacinta Allan prove voters get what they deserve, Does a 1.7 per cent reduction over four years to a massively bloated state public service really sound like ‘slashing’ or ‘axing’ to you?
The caption: Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan in question time in Victorian Parliament. Picture: NewsWire / Luis Enrique Ascui
The pond immediately regretted it, as the pond always does with Killer, whether he's intent on Killernomics Argentine-style, or crusading about masks and jabs.
The lad has never recovered from his Covid obsessions, but this day there came a publishing distraction.
First the set-up, an attempt to exorcise the demonic comrade Dan, still buzzing around in the hive mind:
It was very disappointing to see words such as “slashed” and “axed” used in the media to describe a plan to trim the state’s bureaucracy headcount by 1000 people over four years. This is a government with consolidated state debts on track to exceed $230bn within a few years, and one that should be doubly frugal amid speculation interest rates could rise next year.
Victoria’s bureaucracy under Andrews and now Allan has swollen 51 per cent since 2015 to 57,345 last year. The broader public sector workforce has similarly grown at multiples of population growth, by 38 per cent, to 382,823. Over the same period the total cost of public sector wages and salaries has roughly doubled to $40bn. Almost one in 10 Victorians work directly for the government. Given all this background, does a 1.7 per cent reduction over four years sound like “slashing” or “axing” to you?
Indeed, the supposed “cuts” were even more paltry than the headline suggested after CPSU Victorian branch assistant secretary Mitch Vandewerdt-Holman told The Guardian that 619 of the 1055 jobs to be removed had already gone. Shockingly, even he, a public sector union chief, conceded there was “definitely more room” to cut the number of senior executives, whose ranks had tripled since 2014, when Andrews came to power.
The reptiles boldly featured some defacing of the street, though there seems to have been a little trouble with the shutter speed, Street artist Jarrod Grech’s new artwork near Queen Victoria Market in Melbourne. Picture: NewsWire / David Geraghty
Good to know that street art and graffiti and the like is now fully reptile approved, as Killer turned to doing a promo ...
But the book’s nine chapters, including one by me on fiscal policy and one by Peter Jennings on foreign policy, make clear how damaging Andrews’s impact has been across practically every dimension of public life.
Former Public Service commissioner John Lloyd in his chapter outlines how the once impartial Victorian public sector became politicised and divorced from economic reality.
Its 2020 enterprise agreement, for instance, included 27 different types of paid leave: gender transition (four weeks paid), cultural and ceremonial leave (four days paid) and (separately) First People’s Assembly attendance leave (10 days paid). No wonder the number of Australians claiming Aboriginality has exploded! And naturally this comes on top of the right to work at home two days a week for Victorian bureaucrats.
The reptiles helped out with another distraction, featuring the sort of witch no five hour Hollywood musical could redeem in Killer's mind ...Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan has spoken to the media ahead of the introduction of new crime laws in the state.
That sent Killer off on his favourite topics - union bashing and Covid and climate science denialism ...
Victoria once enjoyed among the cheapest electricity prices in the world, thanks to its plentiful reserves of brown coal, but that natural advantage has been squandered. The sudden decommissioning of the Hazelwood coal-fired power station in 2017 triggered an 85 per cent surge in wholesale electricity prices and permanently higher price volatility. The Andrews government also brought forward the closure of the giant Yallourn power station from 2032 to 2022, and Loy Yang A from 2045 to 2035, both of which could easily have been extended to provide many more years of relatively cheap power.
These closures are meant to pave the way for the scientifically and economically unattainable goal of “net zero” emissions in Victoria by 2045. There is even a state plan for 95 per cent of electricity to be generated by “renewables” by 2035 – that won’t happen but the damage caused in trying will surely be significant.
Andrews’s war on gas included dumping in 2022 the requirement for new dwellings to be connected to the state’s gas network, which had been introduced years earlier to ensure households could avail themselves of the state’s large, accessible gas reserves.
At this point the reptiles made even clearer the real point of the exercise with an actual snap:
Couldn't they have noted that Killer was flogging a Connor Court tome?
What a motley crew!
Sorry, no link, if you want to p*ss thirty bucks up against a Connor Court wall, you'll have to do it on your own time and dime ...
Satisfied he'd one his policy duties for Connor Court, Killer wrapped up proceedings, with a nod to petulant Peta's generous participation ...
It can’t be denied that Andrews won three elections, but his political success serves as a reminder that destructive policies can be wildly popular. Political observers have often declared something like “voters get it right in the end”. Well, they certainly didn’t in Argentina, where voters for decades supported big-spending socialist governments that destroyed their nation’s prosperity.
They clearly haven’t in Victoria either, and if Andrews’s legacy isn’t retired to the history books at the next state election in a year’s time they will have erred again. A better aphorism is voters get the governments they deserve.
Adam Creighton is chief economist at the Institute of Public Affairs.
They never give anything a rest ...and they never provide the sort of real entertainment on hand in the disunited states and celebrated by the immortal Rowe this day.
There's nothing like extrajudicial killings, bloody murders and war crimes as a way of pandering to the new Nero ...
Killa C: "...voters get the governments they deserve".
ReplyDeleteYes, but why do we also get the "journalists" we deserve, too ?
GB - I would make a case that we get the likes of 'Killer' because there are still a few folk who pay money to look at Rupert's prints and electronic versions, but the greater contributions still come from corporations who advertise with Rupe, or who go that step further and 'sponsor' content. As I scan what I call the electronic posters each day, I do believe I am seeing more boxes for 'sponsored content'. I concede that may be a false perception, like the claims that 'people know' that crime is increasing in every state with a Labor government, even though statistics show steady declines in most categories of crime.
DeleteSo you reckon we get all those 'sponsored boxes' because the sponsors reckon, we'll take notice of them and spend our money on what they're pushing, and thus get the 'journalists' we deserve ?
DeleteI think it is more that the 'journos' have to fill up the space between the ads, and 'sponsored content' (which has the sense of being much more upmarket). Those who claim to be journos, or the more common (very common) 'contributor' provide little or nothing to that 'content' - I think it is provided by the sponsor, with implicit condition that none of the regular reptiles mess with it in any way.
DeleteUr Gas... "the face is so central to social interaction" ... Except for the 3.32 billion gamers who need no face to interact;
ReplyDelete"As of 2025, there are approximately 3.32 billion active video gamers worldwide. This number has grown significantly, reflecting the increasing popularity of gaming across various platforms."
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The "other" religion... ( cf. Ezek 16:37–9; Hos 2:3 ), the elders pre-empting the judgement. None present discern their self-condemnatory leering gazes. v. 34 ,"**
Curious; "The case against the burka"
Henry Reptiles are Burke-a's. They are dead simply because "“In the court of King Donald, a person of learning, of unquestioned merit, and of unsuspected loyalty named USAID, was put to death for no other reason, than that he had a caring countenance which displeased the king." Yet Henry Burke-a elides DP's observation... "... as Our Henry will try to wiggle out of his determination to ignore other religious garb while berating Islamics" ...
Oxford on "male gaze"
Subject: Media studies
"See also gaze. 1. A manner of treating women's bodies as objects to be surveyed, which is associated by feminists with hegemonic masculinity, both in"...
[Articles below found in Male Gaze page]
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...1:5 : accused beautiful women should appear veiled) so that the elders can once again feast their eyes on her great beauty; OG may imply that she was stripped ( cf. Ezek 16:37–9; Hos 2:3 ), the elders pre-empting the judgement. None present discern their self-condemnatory leering gazes. v. 34 ,
"Extra-canonical early Christian literature Reference library
J. K. Elliott and J. K. Elliott
The Oxford Bible Commentary
".. Ezekiel sees visions that in turn contain seeing eyes and old men gazing at pictures, while he himself is instructed to observe carefully all that he sees. The extended metaphors are graphically intense, with the depictions of Jerusalem (exposing herself to all passers-by) and her lovers bordering on the pornographic."
The Oxford Bible Commentary
Reference type: Subject ReferenceCurrent Version: 2022
...‘Simon Peter said to them, “Let Mary leave us, because women are not worthy of life.”
https://www.oxfordreference.com/search?q=male gaze
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"Actually, if the pond might be so bold, whenever the pond is confronted by religious garb of any kind ...
... the first thing the pond sees isn't the face."
Ur Gas; "Nor using only your fusiform gyrus."
Astounding Henry has the catzpah to award himself a neuroscience degree - with zero attribution - to make Labor seem baaad.
Karl Friston is an actual neuroscientist... amygdala before fusiform gyrus...
"Subcortical amygdala pathways enable rapid face processing"
Mona Garvert Marta Garrido Karl Friston
2014, NeuroImage
https://doi.org/10.1016/J.NEUROIMAGE.2014.07.047
..."Early brain activity was better explained by dynamic causal models containing a direct subcortical connection to the amygdala irrespective of emotional modulation. At longer latencies, models without a subcortical connection had comparable evidence. Hence, our results support the hypothesis that a subcortical pathway to the amygdala plays a role in rapid sensory processing of faces, in particular during early stimulus processing. This finding contributes to an understanding of the amygdala as a behavioural relevance detector."
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/
Language beats faces, seen or unseen...
Delete"Nyiyaparli leaders are saving their language by taking it to young people where they are – on their phones
"A smartphone game is part of a push to save critically endangered Nyiyaparli in the Pilbara, while an NT radio station helps keep Yolŋu matha strong"
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2025/dec/03/nyiyaparli-elders-language-young-people-smartphone-game
HE; " Far more significant to humans than to any other species" . Wrong.
Delete"If you think that only humans have an ability of facial recognition, you are definitely wrong."
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"Let’s start with primates, as these animals have a facial recognition skills, similar to humans. Emory University have made a research with monkeys and found that it is absolutely not difficult to distinguish faces for those animals, what means that the human ability to distinguish faces is more than 30 million years old. What is also interesting – monkeys and humans use parallel mechanism to recognize faces.
Another study in Emory University have shown that dogs have a special brain region just for facial recognition purpose.
...
https://skybiometry.com/facial-recognition-easy-task-animals/
The usual suspects...
Delete"Senator Pauline Hanson has worn a burqa into parliament multiple times as a form of protest.[4]
Background
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Following the Moscow theatre hostage crisisin 2002, Australian politician Fred Nile asked whether the then state minister of police would consider banning full-body coverings like those worn by the Chechen terrorists from parliament and public gathering places in order to prevent the carriage of weapons or explosive devices. On 23 June 2010, Nile introduced a bill into the Legislative Council to criminalize the public wearing of any face covering which prevents the identification of the wearer,[5] including the burqa and niqab. He again in 2014 put up a bill that would ban the burqa and niqab.[6][7]
In 2010, Senator Cory Bernardi wrote an opinion piece calling for a ban on wearing the burqa in public.[8]
In September 2014, Senator Jacqui Lambieannounced plans to introduce a private member's bill aimed at banning the burqa in Australia.[9] In February 2017, she introduced a private member's bill which would amend the Criminal Code Act 1995 to make it illegal to wear full-face coverings in public places when a terrorism threat declaration is in force, unless it was necessary for certain purposes.[10]
Arguments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa_ban_in_Australia
The Scales on the eyes of Ur-gas & Reptiles extend to burka like size and form...
ReplyDeleteRe Education for Reptiles...
"The Shutdown of U.S.A.I.D. Has Already Killed Hundreds of Thousands
"The short documentary “Rovina’s Choice” tells the story of what goes when aid goes.
Film by Thomas Jennings and Annie WongText by Atul Gawande
November 5, 2025
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-documentary/the-shutdown-of-usaid-has-already-killed-hundreds-of-thousands
"THE PERSONAL AS GLOBAL
"Rovina’s story is singular, yet it echoes thousands of others. Her experience reveals how policy decisions made an ocean away can determine who eats, who survives, and whose stories reach the world.
"Through the plight of one woman trying to save her daughter from starvation, “Rovina’s Choice” traces the effects of Donald Trump’s executive order banning US foreign aid—made within hours of being sworn into office in January 2025.
"Rovina Naboi’s devastating story represents the global impact of that decision on the world’s most vulnerable populations, and how it stopped decades of progress combating severe malnutrition."
https://rovinaschoice.com
YOU BURKAS!
ReplyDeleteFirst they came for...
"NEWS: DHS Expands Migrant Database to Screen U.S. Citizens
Fair Elections Center filing reveals bulk SSN queries, driver's license plans as 26 states weaponize flawed data against voters.
Pablo Manríquez
Dec 02, 2025
https://migrantinsider.com/p/news-dhs-expands-migrant-database?
Yes, interesting roll call for that recent publication by Connor Court. Edited by Morgan Begg, who also contributes. Then - Mirko Bagaric. Little reminder - Mirko was quite prepared to make a case for state-authorised torture, in cases which he reconstructed from the plots of comic books of his youth. Then - Killer, and - Gigi. Gize - where have ya been? Yes, some of us have been vaguely aware of your appearances on ratbag 'Y-tube' channels, offering a rising scale of superlatives to claim that all kinds of official responses to COVID were more heinous crimes against humanity than the direct killing of various 'out' groups by the mad historic dictator of your choice. Do you really list publications with Connor Court on your list of 'academic' publications? Or are you happy with tenure at UNSW, and have no need to maintain reputation within the trade?
ReplyDeleteI will add that I am not familiar with most of the names following Gigi in the listing, and have no intention of wasting the price of several good coffees on the book to find out who they might have been, once.
Gigi's & co conspirator Paul Fritters, who broke Club Troppo during Covid. One of many let it rip posts...
DeleteGigi Foster on the Economics of greed and love
Posted on April 12, 2013 by Paul Frijters
See below for how my co-author Gigi Foster has been explaining key facets of our joint book to Tim Harcourt in anticipation of launches in Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne. Enjoy!
5 Responses to Gigi Foster on the Economics of greed and love
• conrad says:
April 12, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Not that I’ve read the book, and it’s hard to understand exactly what’s going on in an 8 minute clip, but I’ll comment anyway :) — there’s growing evidence in psychology that people just do quite complex stuff because they’re basically programmed to do it, not because they’re trying to satisfy something. Thus, it may well be that after they’ve done something it satisfies something but the causal relationship is reversed.
Take the case of an altruistic act — I might be altruistic just because I’m programmed to be altruistic, but after I perform my altruistic act, it satisfies some emotional state I have. If I saw someone fall over, for example, I might pick them up, and that may satisfy no particular need I have. It’s just that I’ve evolved to do altruistic acts. However, after I’ve done this, I might find that I feel good about it, which might be falsely interpreted as satisfying a need I had to feel good.
I don’t see why the same might not be true for love. If you look at some species of birds, for example, you can find some groups where they generally pair for life. Is this happening because the bird is satisfying some need? Unless you’re counting satisfying evolutionary algorithms they have embedded in their heads, then the answer I assume must be no. If you are counting those, then it’s hard to see how you exclude anything as a need even just counting complex things (imprinting would be another example from birds). Obviously birds arn’t people, but I don’t see why one would assume that these sorts of acts are done to satisfy any sort of immediate needs (or indeed, any needs within a lifetime — some things people do are clearly in conflict with individual needs, like having children, which for most of the animal kingdom is often associated with dieing in childbirth, as it has been for most of human history).
On an entirely different note, the interview comes over as if one has a set of needs that are entirely in competition with each other. I doubt that’s the case — surely some are essentially orthogonal even if it is possible to satisfy more than one with a single act.
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• Paul frijters says:
April 15, 2013 at 6:04 am
In this case I think it fair to say a proper discussion is really difficult if you haven’t read the book. But I will in short say that love is not as pre-programmed and blind as you make it out to be. The countries, families, religions, isms, and other entities we love are not accidentally the ones that have purposely moulded us and via which we get a lot of the things we want. There is method to love. You show me a bird that changes from ardent socialist to committed capitalist when it gets rich!
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• john r walker says:
April 15, 2013 at 6:44 am
Paul new scientist recently ran a article on ‘self’ the article had a touch of the usual free will / determinism paradox crap.
The article drew a number of interesting responses that are relevant to this thread.
This letter was from the Bishop of Huntingdon :
At the end of your very interesting exploration of “the self” (23 February, p 32) you slip into the dichotomy of subjective illusion and objective reality, with the self in the first category.
I suggest it is more profitable to remember that objects, from our bodies to quantum dualities, are also constructed by our consciousness via observation. Yet we remain confident these are “real”. So is it unreasonable to say the self is real too?
...
https://clubtroppo.com.au/2013/04/12/gigi-foster-on-the-economics-of-greed-and-love/
Ah yes, M. Frijters whom I haven't encountered since I stopped reading Troppo quite some time ago. It was he, I must confess, who alerted me - in connection with Little (dis)honest Johnny - that if you truly believe what you're saying, then you aren't lying (in connection with the 'children overboard' some longish time ago).
DeleteAs to the Bish of Huntingdon's letter, I return to N David Mermin and his 'descriptions' and 'explanations' and simply note that we do have few (if any ?) descriptions so must continually create and refine explanations. And then add that a very well crafted 'explanation' is functionally indistinguishable from a description anyway for those, like us, who lack the power of an eternal omniscient god to know and understand reality.
Ah yes GB.
DeleteAnd to answer Chadwick...
"I will add that I am not familiar with most of the names following Gigi"...
Gigi Foster
Has had involvement with in the following organisation(s) with the following people at times
• Brownstone
https://starsofcovid.github.io/person_gigi-foster.html
"Writers of Brownstone articles" ... now include Gigi Foster. And RMIT let Jeffery Tucker advise us on blockchain
Jeffrey Albert Tucker (born December 19, 1963) is an American libertarian writer, publisher, entrepreneur and advocate of anarcho-capitalism and Bitcoin.
...
He worked for Ron Paul, the Mises Institute, and LewRockwell.com for many years. Beginning in 2020, he organized efforts against COVID-19 pandemic restrictions with the American Institute for Economic Research(AIER), and in 2021 he founded Brownstone Institute think tank to continue such efforts.
As of 2021, he is Chief Liberty Officer (CLO) of Liberty.me.[1] He is an adjunct scholar with the Mackinac Center for Public Policy,[2] a research affiliate of the Blockchain Innovation Hub of the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technogy,[3] and an Acton Institute associate.[4]
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COVID-19 pandemic and Brownstone Institute
Tucker blogged in opposition to social distancing measures and face masks during the COVID-19 pandemic, framing them as subservience to "arbitrary and ignorant authority".[24]
In 2020, Tucker helped organize the Great Barrington Declaration, signed at AIER, which advocated the lifting of COVID-19 restrictions.[25]
In 2021, Tucker founded the nonprofit Brownstone Institute for Social and Economic Research, a think tank that opposes various measures against COVID-19, including masking and vaccine mandates. Senior roles were given to Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya, two of the co-authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, which Tucker also helped to organize. The institute has described itself as "the spiritual child" of the Great Barrington Declaration.
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In an interview for California Sunday, Tucker described his "vision of freedom" by recalling a view over São Paulo by night: "As far as my eyes could see, there were lights and buildings and civilization burgeoning — an awesome amount of human knowledge, energy, innovation, creative capacity right in front of me. I began to turn, and it was true over here, and over there, and in every single direction, and I thought, 'That’s it! This world will never be governed. It cannot be governed.' It was beautiful."[23]
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Personal life
Formerly a Southern Baptist, Tucker is a convert to traditionalist Catholicism.[29][30]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Tucker
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'What is going on?' RMIT staff irked by research hub's links to rightwing thinktank
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"Affiliates of Institute of Public Affairs are working at university’s blockchain hub, which has received $6m in RMIT funding despite university’s job cuts
Christopher Knaus
Thu 27 Aug 2020
Staff at RMIT University have expressed concern about the level of funding flowing to its blockchain research body and the links it shares with the Institute of Public Affairs.
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Five of its 15 staff are either current or former fellows of the Institute of Public Affairs, a rightwing, free-market thinktank.
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Its researchers have helped guide the Australian government’s approach to blockchain through the National Blockchain Roadmap.
The Blockchain Innovation Hub is co-directed by Christopher Berg, who is an IPA fellow.
Jason Potts,
Tim Wilson
Sinclair Davidson,
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/27/what-is-going-on-rmit-staff-irked-by-research-hubs-links-to-rightwing-thinktank
And guess where this shit ends up.
DeleteCOVID Contrarian Tracy Beth Høeg Named as FDA’s Acting CDER Chief
December 4, 2025
Høeg is the fifth person to lead the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research this year.
Tracy Beth Høeg—a known vaccine skeptic—will lead the FDA’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research as acting chief, becoming the fifth person just this year to hold the agency’s top drug regulatory post.
https://www.biospace.com/fda/covid-contrarian-tracy-beth-høeg-named-as-fdas-acting-cder-chief
Bhattacharya also acknowledged that “really well done studies” have failed to find a link between the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and autism. “It seems unlikely for MMR,” he said. “Others have not been as well studied. As a scientist, I’d say it’s unlikely that one of the vaccines is the cause but I don’t know for certain.”
As for whether Bhattacharya is up-to-date on COVID vaccines, he said he had two shots in 2021 and “I have not had any since.”
He also praised the pardon of Anthony Fauci, MD, and said it’s not likely that Europe will be able to poach American scientists: “France is a nice place to visit,” he said.
New MAHA Think Tank
The Make America Healthy Again movement has launched a new think tank called the MAHA Institute, and it has the Trump administration’s attention, STAT reportedopens in a new tab or window.
Key topics discussed at the think tank’s inaugural event last week ranged from “rethinking vaccine availability and review to removing processed foods from schools, to using keto diets to treat mental illnesses and reforming the regulatory systems intended to protect the public,” the article stated.
Leaders at the MAHA Institute are close allies of HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., though he has committed to distancing himself from them in taking office, STAT reported.
Meanwhile, officials from the Trump administration turned up at the think tank’s launch, including Calley Means, a health adviser to the White House; Sara Brenner, MD, MPH, principal deputy commissioner at the FDA; and Noah Sofio, who identified himself as a CMS official.
At one point, Meryl Nass, MD, a physician from Maine who had her license suspended in 2022 for allegedly spreading COVID misinformation, was called on stage and introduced as “one of the world’s experts” on vaccine issues'
https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/tracy-beth-hoeg-md-phd-jay-bhattacharya-and-the-new-maha-institute/
VACCINATIONS
DeleteFri 5 Dec - Total Doses Administered
Australia 71,054,100
300 Cases 7d Av
Hospitalised 153
ICU 5
https://covidlive.com.au/report/vaccinations
Updated December 5, 2025.
COVID-19 vaccine distribution by country[12]
Location Vaccinated[a] Percent[b]World [c][d] - 5,645,247,500 - 70.70%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deployment_of_COVID-19_vaccines